Unchristian teachings of the Seventh Day Adventist Church....

[fromtheearth]

I have read all of this and just wanted to add some thoughts.

I am a new attendee to an SDA church here in Aus and a lot of the theology I am being 'taught' is from SDA members, young and old. I can say for certain that their teachings differ greatly from what was posted in the OP and can see that words are chosen carefully in tat post to try and indicate ill-intentions of Ellen White.

I have never been told that a Sunday worship christian cannot be saved. In fact, quite the opposite. I have been told that the institution of the move from Sat to Sun is work of the devil, but the people are good people doing Gods work.
The statement that "Ellen G. White taught that all other churches except the SDA church were teaching lies from the Devil." is intentionally written to be blanket statement that infers she thinks ALL teachings in these churches are from the devil. That is certainly not the case.

The don't necessarily believe just in Vegetarianism... they believe in looking after your body. I am sure if you looked into some of the meat handling efforts in our country as well as the effects of too much meat, you wouldn't think it is a bad idea. In saying this, I have been told specifically that vegetarianism is NOT a directive from the bible. It is a "health message" that is encouraged to ensure healthy bodies.

I read in another thread today that SDAs don't believe in the Trinity and the proof of this is that the word "Trinity" was not found in any of Ellen White's books.
One of the first things I was taught in bible study was the Godhead being Trinitarian. I was also told that the word "Trinity" was not used in the Bible at all, despite clear references to there being 3 forms of God. It is a term that was derived later, so why would it be used in the Bible??

Any way, I personally am in a journey through the SDA church to find God for myself. I will never accept any teachings or doctrines from anyone that I do not believe comes from the bible and this thought is 100% backed up by the church I attend.

It really is a shame to see so much focus on the differences of each denomination as opposed to working together to discuss the interpretations of the Bible and try to find the right message.

 

[klutedavid]

I have read all of this and just wanted to add some thoughts.

I am a new attendee to an SDA church here in Aus and a lot of the theology I am being 'taught' is from SDA members, young and old. I can say for certain that their teachings differ greatly from what was posted in the OP and can see that words are chosen carefully in tat post to try and indicate ill-intentions of Ellen White.

I have never been told that a Sunday worship christian cannot be saved. In fact, quite the opposite. I have been told that the institution of the move from Sat to Sun is work of the devil, but the people are good people doing Gods work.
The statement that "Ellen G. White taught that all other churches except the SDA church were teaching lies from the Devil." is intentionally written to be blanket statement that infers she thinks ALL teachings in these churches are from the devil. That is certainly not the case.

The don't necessarily believe just in Vegetarianism... they believe in looking after your body. I am sure if you looked into some of the meat handling efforts in our country as well as the effects of too much meat, you wouldn't think it is a bad idea. In saying this, I have been told specifically that vegetarianism is NOT a directive from the bible. It is a "health message" that is encouraged to ensure healthy bodies.

I read in another thread today that SDAs don't believe in the Trinity and the proof of this is that the word "Trinity" was not found in any of Ellen White's books.
One of the first things I was taught in bible study was the Godhead being Trinitarian. I was also told that the word "Trinity" was not used in the Bible at all, despite clear references to there being 3 forms of God. It is a term that was derived later, so why would it be used in the Bible??

Any way, I personally am in a journey through the SDA church to find God for myself. I will never accept any teachings or doctrines from anyone that I do not believe comes from the bible and this thought is 100% backed up by the church I attend.

It really is a shame to see so much focus on the differences of each denomination as opposed to working together to discuss the interpretations of the Bible and try to find the right message.

Hello fromthearth.

The SDA teach that going to church on Sunday is actually the mark of the beast. Ask about their eschatology.

The SDA teach that you are under the law, i.e., the ten commandments. Even though this phrase, 'the ten commandments', is not found anywhere in the New Testament. They teach something that not even the apostles actually taught.

When Jesus is talking to the Jews in Israel, the SDA believe that Jesus is talking directly to them. They misunderstand that Israel was under the whole law, but the gentile nations were never under the law.

We are to follow the sayings of Jesus, the sayings of Jesus are the new commandments.
These sayings or new commandments are not the written commandments of Mt Sinai.

The SDA interpretation is based on an erroneous earlier church interpretation.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

Hello fromthearth. The SDA teach that going to church on Sunday is actually the mark of the beast. Ask about their eschatology. The SDA teach that you are under the law, i.e., the ten commandments. Even though this phrase, 'the ten commandments', is not found anywhere in the New Testament. They teach something that not even the apostles actually taught. When Jesus is talking to the Jews in Israel, the SDA believe that Jesus is talking directly to them. They misunderstand that Israel was under the whole law, but the gentile nations were never under the law. We are to follow the sayings of Jesus, the sayings of Jesus are the new commandments. These sayings or new commandments are not the written commandments of Mt Sinai. The SDA interpretation is based on an erroneous earlier church interpretation.

 

[klutedavid]

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[fromtheearth]

Hello fromthearth.

The SDA teach that going to church on Sunday is actually the mark of the beast. Ask about their eschatology.

The SDA teach that you are under the law, i.e., the ten commandments. Even though this phrase, 'the ten commandments', is not found anywhere in the New Testament. They teach something that not even the apostles actually taught.

When Jesus is talking to the Jews in Israel, the SDA believe that Jesus is talking directly to them. They misunderstand that Israel was under the whole law, but the gentile nations were never under the law.

We are to follow the sayings of Jesus, the sayings of Jesus are the new commandments.
These sayings or new commandments are not the written commandments of Mt Sinai.

The SDA interpretation is based on an erroneous earlier church interpretation.

Hey klutedavid
Thanks for the reply!

My understanding so far is this:

They do not teach that going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast. They say that the institution of Sunday worship stems from the Roman control which is the devil trying to distance us from God.

The 10 commandments as a term may not be found, but discussions around them certainly are found in the NT. Also, there would be no need to reiterate the Sabbath commandment in the epistle unless people were not keeping it. Pauk wrote that he kept the Sabbath.

But I like to keep the thought that I am happy to be wrong, because it means that I now know what is right!

 

[Jeepneytravel]

The only Biblical day to be kept is the seventh day of the week, Saturday..the Sabbath day...Genesis 2 God created the day, rested, blessed the day and set it aside for Holy purposes.....God does not change...that day is Holy....
No other day was given the same treatment...NONE...Sunday is from pagan customs of Babylon and Rome...Jesus said don't follow the traditions of man, but follow the Commandments of God.Matthew 15 and Mark 7. Jesus said in John 14.15 If you love me keep my Commandments..and in Matthew 19.17 He said "to enter into life keep the commandments" and He goes on to identify the ten commandments...
1st John, Apostle John says "those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are liars, and the truth is not in them" Also, "this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and they are not burdensome.....
The Ten commandments are alive and well in the heart and mind of every true Christian as per Hebrew 8 and 10 God said "I will write my commandments on their hearts and minds, and I will be their God and they will be my people.

 

[Dale]

Hey klutedavid
Thanks for the reply!

My understanding so far is this:

They do not teach that going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast. They say that the institution of Sunday worship stems from the Roman control which is the devil trying to distance us from God.

The 10 commandments as a term may not be found, but discussions around them certainly are found in the NT. Also, there would be no need to reiterate the Sabbath commandment in the epistle unless people were not keeping it. Pauk wrote that he kept the Sabbath.

But I like to keep the thought that I am happy to be wrong, because it means that I now know what is right!

Fromtheearth,

Hello, since I haven't run into you before.

You say that the SDA do not teach that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast. In the town I live in, the Seventh Day Adventist church put up a billboard on the highway to say that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast. That billboard stayed up for some years.

You say that Paul kept the Sabbath. My reading of the Book of Acts shows that Paul traveled on the Jewish Sabbath and stayed in one location on Sunday.

 

[now faith]

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy" is one of the Ten Commandments found in the Hebrew Bible. The full text of thecommandment reads: ... Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God.

Who said it was Saturday or Sunday?
God said 6 days you labor ,on the 7th day you rest.
Anything else is interjection by man.
It's a long and useless debate,if you read the commandment.

 

[klutedavid]

Thanks for the reply!

Think nothing of it.

They do not teach that going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast.

You will find this in their eschatology, they do teach it.

They say that the institution of Sunday worship stems from the Roman control which is the devil trying to distance us from God.

They can say what ever they wish, but first day services started in the first century.
It is not God that the devil will bother to distract you from, it is Jesus Christ.

The 10 commandments as a term may not be found, but discussions around them certainly are found in the NT.

The reason that the term, 'the ten commandments', is not in the N.T., is because it was never taught by the apostles. Not even in Acts 15 where you should expect to see the ten commandments mentioned, there is silence. There is no question that the gentiles were never taught that they were under the law. Paul refused point blank to place the gentiles under the law.

Also, there would be no need to reiterate the Sabbath commandment in the epistle unless people were not keeping it. Pauk wrote that he kept the Sabbath.

Paul was a Jew and of course he was under the law, Paul kept the Sabbath for some considerable time. But do not be misled, gentiles did not become believers until decades after the Jews. So you will find the Sabbath mentioned over many chapters of Acts and through the Gospel letters.

As we step through the book of Acts we find that later on the gentiles, stopped attending synagogues on the Sabbath. We find that the gentiles met on the first day as they should.

Letters written in the second century record Sunday as the day of worship. The SDA will tell you otherwise of course.

Jesus rose on the third day according to Acts 21, and not after the third day. So attend church on Sunday and be a good fellow.

But I like to keep the thought that I am happy to be wrong, because it means that I now know what is right!

The scripture is all about Jesus and His reconciliation. If your church is placing emphasis on anything else, for example some day of the week, beware.

I have not to this day ever seen a church that has a correct doctrinal footing, not 100% anyway.

 

[klutedavid]

Typical seventh day adventist dogma.

You said the following.

Jesus said in John 14.15 If you love me keep my Commandments..and in Matthew 19.17 He said "to enter into life keep the commandments" and He goes on to identify the ten commandments...

Now you made the claim go ahead and prove it, don't make claims unless you can prove the claim.

Where does Jesus identify, 'the ten commandments'?

1st John, Apostle John says "those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are liars, and the truth is not in them" Also, "this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and they are not burdensome.....
The Ten commandments are alive and well in the heart and mind of every true Christian as per Hebrew 8 and 10 God said "I will write my commandments on their hearts and minds, and I will be their God and they will be my people.

Incorrect, the sayings of Jesus are the commandments and not the written law.[/QUOTE]

 

[now faith]

I have read all of this and just wanted to add some thoughts.

I am a new attendee to an SDA church here in Aus and a lot of the theology I am being 'taught' is from SDA members, young and old. I can say for certain that their teachings differ greatly from what was posted in the OP and can see that words are chosen carefully in tat post to try and indicate ill-intentions of Ellen White.

I have never been told that a Sunday worship christian cannot be saved. In fact, quite the opposite. I have been told that the institution of the move from Sat to Sun is work of the devil, but the people are good people doing Gods work.
The statement that "Ellen G. White taught that all other churches except the SDA church were teaching lies from the Devil." is intentionally written to be blanket statement that infers she thinks ALL teachings in these churches are from the devil. That is certainly not the case.

The don't necessarily believe just in Vegetarianism... they believe in looking after your body. I am sure if you looked into some of the meat handling efforts in our country as well as the effects of too much meat, you wouldn't think it is a bad idea. In saying this, I have been told specifically that vegetarianism is NOT a directive from the bible. It is a "health message" that is encouraged to ensure healthy bodies.

I read in another thread today that SDAs don't believe in the Trinity and the proof of this is that the word "Trinity" was not found in any of Ellen White's books.
One of the first things I was taught in bible study was the Godhead being Trinitarian. I was also told that the word "Trinity" was not used in the Bible at all, despite clear references to there being 3 forms of God. It is a term that was derived later, so why would it be used in the Bible??

Any way, I personally am in a journey through the SDA church to find God for myself. I will never accept any teachings or doctrines from anyone that I do not believe comes from the bible and this thought is 100% backed up by the church I attend.

It really is a shame to see so much focus on the differences of each denomination as opposed to working together to discuss the interpretations of the Bible and try to find the right message.

People will twist ,add to , take away from God's Word to fit their personal circumstances or religon.

They are unrelenting in their doctrine.

 

[now faith]

All of the commandments are taught in the New Testament, except the Sabbath.
No one could keep the Sabbath law ,because those who worked in the temple worked on the Sabbath.
As Jesus said if your ox is in a ditch you would pull him out,yet they criticized Jesus for healing while they performed circumcision.
They were hypocrites and vipers.

 

[now faith]

It's not that I don't like SDA people,they will be in heaven too.
If they want to place unnecessary burdens on themselves good.
It is not Biblical and it's not antichrist because all we need do is read Romans 14 to show us how to deal with this legalism.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

Typical seventh day adventist dogma.

You said the following.

Now you made the claim go ahead and prove it, don't make claims unless you can prove the claim.

Where does Jesus identify, 'the ten commandments'?

Incorrect, the sayings of Jesus are the commandments and not the written law.

[/QUOTE]


If only you would read your Bible....Read on in Matthew 19.17
where Jesus identifies the Ten commandments.....
You did not address the rest of my post, and you seem to not believe the Bible....maybe it's a result of a lot of false teaching you have endured..be careful satan has led most of the Christian world away from God, As Jesus said "wide is the way that leads to destruction, narrow is the way theat leads to salvation, few shall find it" Matthew 7..sounds like you are on the wide path?

 

[klutedavid]

If only you would read your Bible....Read on in Matthew 19.17
where Jesus identifies the Ten commandments.....
You did not address the rest of my post, and you seem to not believe the Bible....maybe it's a result of a lot of false teaching you have endured..be careful satan has led most of the Christian world away from God, As Jesus said "wide is the way that leads to destruction, narrow is the way theat leads to salvation, few shall find it" Matthew 7..sounds like you are on the wide path?

Hello Jeepneytravel.

I did not address the rest of your post because I noticed your claim was incorrect.

You need to address this primary claim first.

I asked you to prove that the ten commandments were taught.

This was your initial claim.

Matthew 19.17 He said "to enter into life keep the commandments" and He goes on to identify the ten commandments..

Here is the text you cited.

Matthew 19
18 Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man *said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

There are a few of the ten commandments but not all of them.

1) You shall love your neighbor, is not in the ten commandments.

2) You must throw away your possessions, this is also a commandment.

3) You must follow Jesus and this again is a commandment.

4) Jesus was talking to the Jews about the law, Jesus was not talking to the gentiles.

I will ask you again, will you support your claim?

The text you quoted does not in anyway support the idea that you promote.

You did not address the rest of my post, and you seem to not believe the Bible....maybe it's a result of a lot of false teaching you have endured..be careful satan has led most of the Christian world away from God, As Jesus said "wide is the way that leads to destruction, narrow is the way theat leads to salvation, few shall find it" Matthew 7..sounds like you are on the wide path?

I will ignore this comment of yours.

 

[fromtheearth]

Fromtheearth,

Hello, since I haven't run into you before.

You say that the SDA do not teach that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast. In the town I live in, the Seventh Day Adventist church put up a billboard on the highway to say that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast. That billboard stayed up for some years.

You say that Paul kept the Sabbath. My reading of the Book of Acts shows that Paul traveled on the Jewish Sabbath and stayed in one location on Sunday.

Hi Dale

I guess what I say is "The SDA church I attend does not state that so boldly". The do certainly believe the Sabbath on Saturday to be correct and that the institution of Sunday worship was derived from the Romans (and in turn Satan), but I have never heard anyone say the act itself is the mark of the devil.

I believe you refer to Acts 20:7? I read that one carefully when I came across it (seeing as my contact with the Bible comes through SDA members) and my understanding is that they waited until after sunset on the Sabbath to break bread with Paul as a farewell before he left to Jerusalem for the Pentecost festival. I also thought breaking bread was just something they did regularly, not just on their worship day.

 

[fromtheearth]

Think nothing of it.

You will find this in their eschatology, they do teach it.

They can say what ever they wish, but first day services started in the first century.
It is not God that the devil will bother to distract you from, it is Jesus Christ.

The reason that the term, 'the ten commandments', is not in the N.T., is because it was never taught by the apostles. Not even in Acts 15 where you should expect to see the ten commandments mentioned, there is silence. There is no question that the gentiles were never taught that they were under the law. Paul refused point blank to place the gentiles under the law.

Paul was a Jew and of course he was under the law, Paul kept the Sabbath for some considerable time. But do not be misled, gentiles did not become believers until decades after the Jews. So you will find the Sabbath mentioned over many chapters of Acts and through the Gospel letters.

As we step through the book of Acts we find that later on the gentiles, stopped attending synagogues on the Sabbath. We find that the gentiles met on the first day as they should.

Letters written in the second century record Sunday as the day of worship. The SDA will tell you otherwise of course.

Jesus rose on the third day according to Acts 21, and not after the third day. So attend church on Sunday and be a good fellow.

The scripture is all about Jesus and His reconciliation. If your church is placing emphasis on anything else, for example some day of the week, beware.

I have not to this day ever seen a church that has a correct doctrinal footing, not 100% anyway.

Thanks again for the reply, I will read properly later and look further into it.

Just a couple of questions though. Where you say "We find that the Gentiles met on the first day as they should", what do you mean "as they should"? Is there some direction on this somewhere?

Also, through all of the epistles and the messages to the churches in Revelation, there is no church that is directed to worship on the first day, yet they were all Sabbath keeping churches. So if that was the day they were meant to meet on, why were they never directed to change? Or were they and I just haven't seen it yet?

 

[fromtheearth]

It's not that I don't like SDA people,they will be in heaven too.
If they want to place unnecessary burdens on themselves good.
It is not Biblical and it's not antichrist because all we need do is read Romans 14 to show us how to deal with this legalism.

This verse (14:5) is my favourite in this respect. It shows that the judgement will be based in your intent, not your works as was promised. In my head and heart (so far) I believe the Saturday Sabbath is the correct day, while other believe in their hearts that Sunday is correct.

The beautiful thing about Grace is that we will make mistakes, but we have already been forgive for them. As long as we continue to search and strive to be apart from sin.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

Acts 12 to 19 inclusive.......
I will follow the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus....false teachings are long behind, and good riddance....the world " christianity" is strictly from satan....
Anything that is not from God, and the words of Jesus is from satan...

 

[Jeepneytravel]

This verse (14:5) is my favourite in this respect. It shows that the judgement will be based in your intent, not your works as was promised. In my head and heart (so far) I believe the Saturday Sabbath is the correct day, while other believe in their hearts that Sunday is correct.

The beautiful thing about Grace is that we will make mistakes, but we have already been forgive for them. As longc as we continue to search and strive to be apart from sin.

Repentance before grace, which means turning away from sin.....1st John says "sin is transgression of the law'
As Jesus told the woman caught in adultery "go and sin no more"