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And this: Would a God that could not hate or act in an evil manner create a Hell, as Satan could not create anything, so that He, God, could give over the baddies to his #1 enemy, Satan to torture for all eternity....Surely this is not you logic.
I'm not sure why you completely changed the subject. I would rather stay on topic. When I write something, I kind of hope the next post will be a reply to what I actually said. When someone change the topic, it makes me feel like they didn't listen to me.
 
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Does the Catholic Church try to stop the sale of the Easter bunny
The church has no problems with little reminders of springtime. We've taken back the season from the pagans. It belongs to God.
 
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Please give a valid source, and cite.

www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/why-christmas-held-25th-december-001161

My friend, this is just one of hundreds of sites where the topic is discussed.
Easter is treated to the same scrutiny.
Constantine was a Roman Emperor and Rome was a pagan practicing power. It was Constantine that forced the introduction of the trinity theory, with a couple of the Bishops arguing against the concept before eventually capitulating to the power of Rome . (Read the Catholic encyclopedia)
 
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You go by the name of Moses yet you obviously didn't look up the verse I posted. Let me put it here to save you the effort.

And as he was praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became dazzling white. And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Eli′jah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem.​

According to your interpretation of Ecclesiastes, Moses could not have possibly been having that conversation with Jesus, but since Scripture plainly states that he was, we can safely assume your interpretation is off.

In 1Cor 15, Paul says the following :

When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
“O death, where is thy victory?
O death, where is thy sting?”
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ​

and in Philippians 1 he states:

If it is to be life in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account.​

If the dead know nothing, why would Paul desire to die?

In Rev 6 we read the following:

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?”​

They certainly don't fit your understanding of Ecclesiastes either. I also wonder how you square your interpretation with 1 Samuel 28.

So, am I to accept that you think the Bible contradicts itself, and in this case it is a big contradiction.

A question: It may help us to understand the idea of the word soul if you could explain why a perfect pair of humans, with the offer to life forever on a Paradise Earth would be in need of an immortal soul.
Wasn't it Satan that suggested that they would become like God, immortal? When did the immortal soul concept enter into the human religious creeds?
The word soul is the living person, when the person dies they become a dead soul.
Isn't it odd that when I ask a question about Hell, that I am accused of going off topic.
 
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www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/why-christmas-held-25th-december-001161

My friend, this is just one of hundreds of sites where the topic is discussed.
Easter is treated to the same scrutiny.
Constantine was a Roman Emperor and Rome was a pagan practicing power. It was Constantine that forced the introduction of the trinity theory, with a couple of the Bishops arguing against the concept before eventually capitulating to the power of Rome . (Read the Catholic encyclopedia)
Your website is inaccurate. Saturnalia lasted through to December 23, not December 25. (Wikipedia) Further, your article states that Mithra's birthday was celebrated from the 1st century til the 4th century on December 25. This is incorrect. The Roman Natalis Invicti festival was not switched to December 25 until well after Christmas had been established on December 25. December 25th & Paganism

This fake news that your website reports is from the poor research of a guy named Alexander Hislop, who has since been thoroughly discredited. Despite being the scorn of historians, literally being laughed at, his work has spread over the internet, with a whole bunch of websites. This is a case of "don't believe everything you see on the internet. Dig deeper."
 
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Your website is inaccurate. Saturnalia lasted through to December 23, not December 25. (Wikipedia) Further, your article states that Mithra's birthday was celebrated from the 1st century til the 4th century on December 25. This is incorrect. The Roman Natalis Invicti festival was not switched to December 25 until well after Christmas had been established on December 25. December 25th & Paganism

This fake news that your website reports is from the poor research of a guy named Alexander Hislop, who has since been thoroughly discredited. Despite being the scorn of historians, literally being laughed at, his work has spread over the internet, with a whole bunch of websites. This is a case of "don't believe everything you see on the internet. Dig deeper."

So. there you go, strike one: But did you look at any of the others or even look at the Catholic Encyclopedia

Try this one, but you will have to do your own leg work from here in.

Christmas: The Curious Origins of a Popular Holiday

Tell me who created Hell as a place of torment for 'lost souls'.
Answer the other question: When did the immortality of the soul come into mankind's religions?
What words are used in the translations of soul?
Can God destroy an immortal soul? Take into account the words that are used in regards to Satan's imminent future.

Also, I invite you to read about the soul at this address:
Soul — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
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It was Constantine that forced the introduction of the trinity theory
Quite apart from the above claim being completely false, if you do not accept the doctrine of the Trinity then you are posting in an area of the forums which is barred to non-trinitarians.
 
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So, am I to accept that you think the Bible contradicts itself, and in this case it is a big contradiction.
Of course not, which is why I stated that it was your interpretation of Ecclesiastes which is the problem, not the Scriptures themselves
 
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Quite apart from the above claim being completely false, if you do not accept the doctrine of the Trinity then you are posting in an area of the forums which is barred to non-trinitarians.
Now I wonder why, if I have a different idea on the Bible than you do, why should I be banned from this forum. Isn't that discrimination? IN the Australian Constitution one cannot be discriminated against because of religion, amongst other situations. It is against the law.
I find that JW.org has some very comprehensive well researched answers on Biblical subjects and just as I would read the Catholic Encyclopedia, I often refer to JW.org, it is called having an open mind without bigotry.
Tell me, are you banned from the non-trinitarian forums?

It seems apparent now that you are dodging my questions by bringing up the No Go Zone rule.
Oh Well! A change of subject is in order!
Like: When was the Dark Ages and how was it described?
 
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Now I wonder why, if I have a different idea on the Bible than you do, why should I be banned from this forum. Isn't that discrimination? IN the Australian Constitution one cannot be discriminated against because of religion, amongst other situations. It is against the law.
I find that JW.org has some very comprehensive well researched answers on Biblical subjects and just as I would read the Catholic Encyclopedia, I often refer to JW.org, it is called having an open mind without bigotry.
Tell me, are you banned from the non-trinitarian forums?

It seems apparent now that you are dodging my questions by bringing up the No Go Zone rule.
Oh Well! A change of subject is in order!
Like: When was the Dark Ages and how was it described?
Them's the rules you agree to abide by when you sign up on Christian Forums. Certain areas are termed "Christians only" which for the purposes of this site refers to Nicene Christians, that is you must agree to the Nicene-Constantinopolean creed. If you do not, then you are breaking the rules you agreed to which in itself is pretty unchristian behavior.
 
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Them's the rules you agree to abide by when you sign up on Christian Forums. Certain areas are termed "Christians only" which for the purposes of this site refers to Nicene Christians, that is you must agree to the Nicene-Constantinopolean creed. If you do not, then you are breaking the rules you agreed to which in itself is pretty unchristian behavior.
As a Matter of fact I almost didn't post at all in this Christian Forum but I had a note form an administrator saying that I would be welcome here WITHOUT discrimination.
So, tell me, are you banned from the Non-trinitarian forum?
You say me contributing here is "pretty UN-Christian", isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.
Jesus was banned because he spoke on Christian matters against the Pharisees, I suppose he would get the same treatment here.
I will leave you to "tickle the ears of each other"
 
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As a Matter of fact I almost didn't post at all in this Christian Forum but I had a note form an administrator saying that I would be welcome here WITHOUT discrimination.
So, tell me, are you banned from the Non-trinitarian forum?
You say me contributing here is "pretty UN-Christian", isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.
Jesus was banned because he spoke on Christian matters against the Pharisees, I suppose he would get the same treatment here.
I will leave you to "tickle the ears of each other"
I didn't make the rules, I'm just informing you so you are aware.

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Tradition, not scriptural.

Insisting that something is only permissible if it is explicitly written in Scripture is tradition, not scriptural.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Birthdays aren't scriptural either, but they are sure nice and fun.

Having a Biblical Canon isn't scriptural either. Biblicists frequently don't like being reminded of that I find.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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So. there you go, strike one: But did you look at any of the others or even look at the Catholic Encyclopedia
The Catholic Encyclopedia tells us that Christmas was first celebrated on December 25 in 200 AD, long before Natalis Invicti was ever formulated as a holilday. It also gives us a whole host of non-pagan religious reasons why December 25 was chosen.
 
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I didn't make the rules, I'm just informing you so you are aware.

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Under all the statements, supported by scripture, I agree with but maybe with a different understanding. So this makes me a Christian. The rule doesn't say I have to be a Catholic, it says that I have to be a Christian.
To say that one is a Christian is a big ask, and needs defining so that your forum lives up to its name.

I would say that I am trying to be a Christian, it is an every day effort. Some days I am more Christian than others as my sinful persona slips from the path that Christ set for us.

The only man that could ever stand firmly and call himself a Christian is Jesus, he set the benchmark higher than us humans could every reach in our sinful condition, but we must try.

Did Jesus ever turn away someone that disagreed with him, or did the true Christian take time to discuss the new ministry of love and understanding?

I only believe the Holy word of God as written in the Bible, I will look at the explanations from man but I have the freedom of choice, just as Adam and Eve had and every other being has had ever since. Now, it seems, you wish to deny me that God given freedom of choice and make you own haven for what reason I can not fathom. Maybe you will enlighten me, and maybe you will answer the questions I asked so that others that may have the trepidation to enter this most protected site, will also be able to exercise their right of choice.

Are you afraid that your doctrine will be undermined, that it will be shown the amount of paganism that has been inculcated into the dogma and tenet of your creed? There must be something you are protecting from open discussion.

As in Jesus’ time, many today are deceived in religious matters and no wonder! The apostle Paul said that Satan “has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.”

2 Corinthians 4:4.

This is something we all have to watch out for, and it takes an open mind and great discernment to get a proper understanding. Satan has proved he is able to turn the hearts and minds of the most pious of humans, so great care and prayer is the only answer to finding the truth, and there is only one truth.
 
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