Are we mixed with giants or angels ?

[Sanoy]

True,
We just can't make things true because we want them to be. [that's not truth]
Simply the offspring were men as stated in scripture [fact] Can one make you believe this ? No
Simply term Giant has been understood describing kings, leaders, or of people. [fact]Can't make one believe that either...

It is a fact that men are said to have corrupted themselves.

The offspring of the Sons of God were biologically men. The angels had to become men to procreate. The female reproductive system has conditions. It is their spirits that contain the angelic portion as 1 Enoch reports.

Giant as a metaphor is a modern usage. None of the surrounding extrabiblical literature, ANE literature, or scriptural literature views the Nephilim as metaphorical Giants. The word has an actual meaning in Aramaic, it means Giant. Literal Giants was the understanding of these Nephilim until the Sethite theory came about many Centuries after Jesus. That is a historically indisputable fact. You can't just demand that it's metaphorical, you have to show some sort of exegetical process here. If that can't be done it's simply eisegesis.

The corruption of their way is explained in Enoch 1 and is identical to all ANE text on this subject. The Sons of God also taught men violence and many other things. It is this corruption that predominated second temple era discussion in regards to the state of humanity.

 

[corinth77777]

The offspring of the Sons of God were biologically men. The angles had to become men to procreate. The female reproductive system has conditions. It is their spirits that contain the angelic portion as 1 Enoch reports.

Giant as a metaphor is a modern usage. None of the surrounding extrabiblical literature, ANE literature, or scriptural literature views the Nephilim as metaphorical Giants. The word has an actual meaning in Aramaic, it means Giant. You can't just demand that it's metaphorical, you have to show some sort of exegetical process here. If that can't be done it's simply eisegesis.

Enoch is not in the Bible- so I have not read extra biblical writings

However seeing that there is one word that has similar meanings...doesn't make it metaphorical. Not that this plays on anything I've said about Men having corrupted their own way.
There were fables in the old....and scholars must have reason as today for leaving different writings out.

If Angel corrupted the way of men then the scripture would not have said men corrupted their way.

 

[corinth77777]

The angles had to become men to procreate.

Scripture states angels are not given in marriage....

Any other interpretation passed that are assumptions

 

[Sanoy]

Enoch is not in the Bible- so I have not read extra biblical writings

However seeing that there is one word that has similar meanings...doesn't make it metaphorical. Not that this plays on anything I've said about Men having corrupted their own way.
There were fables in the old....and scholars must have reason as today for leaving different writings out.

If Angel corrupted the way of men then the scripture would not have said men corrupted their way.

Enoch is not in some Bibles.

I am having great difficulty following your current speech pattern of begining a thought and then going into.... And then the conclusion. Would you mind using complete sentences with clear references to what you are talking about?

 

[Sanoy]

The angles had to become men to procreate.

Scripture states angels are not given in marriage....

Any other interpretation passed that are assumptions

Right. Angels are Elohim not flesh in heaven. They left their estate and made themselves as men. This verse does not deny the reading of Genesis 6.

 

[JacksBratt]

Does this also refer to "an increase in knowledge" as stated in Daniel.

This is a bit off the OP but still has a connection to the topic.

I thoroughly believe that technology, at the time of Abraham and Issac, up until the late 1800's, man lived with a slow growth of knowledge. I also contend that after the turn of the century, knowledge has increased at an ever escalating rate.

However, I truly believe that at the time of the flood, mankind underwent a removal and reset of technology. I have read enough and observed enough to be convinced that there were times, before ours, with a technology, although possibly different, much more advanced than ours.

I totally disagree with a "stone" age. There may have been people that lived very primitively. There may be people, even in our scope of recorded history, that have lived with the bare essentials for tools, heat, travel and communication.

I say this because there are perfectly round holes bored into rock that is very hard. Large rocks cut with very very square faces and angled cuts. This, and other examples of higher technology are all over the world. Not only that but there are very large structures that are built with huge rocks that fit like jigsaw puzzles.

These are things that lead me to believe that there was a time, likely before the flood, where technology was very advanced.

 

[JacksBratt]

The angles had to become men to procreate.

Scripture states angels are not given in marriage....

Any other interpretation passed that are assumptions

Scripture says:

Matthew 22:3021st Century King James Version (KJ21)

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven.

If you want to hold others to literal words of scripture, you must live by the same rules. It states "IN HEAVEN". These angels left heaven, or were tossed out... either way, they left their first estate. They are not confined to the "not given in marriage"

 

[corinth77777]

To sum it up, the Best view in line of context is that these were leaders as kings or line of Seth. Lamech stands out for a reason. He had 2 wives. Why mention this at all?Scripture speaks that we should not be unequally yoked with non- believers. "Taking any wives of their choosing" is also clue that they were not suppose to. Now we know if they were Angels they would not have been allowed to take any because scripture gives their purpose.
Now, I don't know how curses worked in those days, but it's interesting to note they could have intermingled with the acursed.

And SO the saying, if salt looses its taste what shall it be good for. The consequence of people being trampled upon through the flood shows they now hold no purpose.
This is as the case in Hebrews of one falling away. "That it's better that they never knew the way then to turn back." There is no more offering for repentance when one turns to continual sin only thing left is death and distruction. They had possibly 120 years to repent and their heart's obviously were seered through sin. This again showing up in the New Testament telling us not to be yoked with nonbelievers.

 

[corinth77777]

My spouse said that it is written that When God created the earth that everything produced its own kind. Angels can appear to be men but are not men.

 

[JacksBratt]

My spouse said that it is written that When God created the earth that everything produced its own kind. Angels can appear to be men but are not men.

I am sorry that you cannot open your mind to understand the vast abilities that the angels are capable of and the rigid thinking that puts our mind in a box that believes that the world has always been the way it is today.

If I may, I would like you to explore the video's of a couple of people.....

Rob Skiba
LA Mazulli
Brien Foerster and
Steve Quayle

These guys, and others, will open your mind up to facts and evidence that are both biblical and undeniable.

 

[corinth77777]

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law,c ‘I have said you are “gods” ’d?d 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set asidef—36 what about the one whom the Father set apartg as his very ownh and sent into the world?i Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?j 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.k 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”l

The word of God came to Israel who He also calls son.

Psalms 82

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgmentp among the “gods”:q
2 “How long will youa defend the unjust
and show partialityr to the wicked?b s
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;t
uphold the cause of the pooru and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.v
They walk about in darkness;w
all the foundationsx of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;y
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will diez like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up,a O God, judgeb the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.c

He is speaking of the leaders who were rulers and judges.

Notes:

elohiym <0430>

Myhla 'elohiym

Pronunciation:el-o-heem'
Originlural of 0433

Definition:1) (plural)
1a) rulers, judges
1b) divine ones
1c) angels
1d) gods
2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
2a) god, goddess
2b) godlike one
2c) works or special possessions of God
2d) the (true) God
2e) God

 

[corinth77777]

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law,c ‘I have said you are “gods” ’d?d 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set asidef—36 what about the one whom the Father set apartg as his very ownh and sent into the world?i Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?j 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.k 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”l

The word of God came to Israel who He also calls son.

Psalms 82

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgmentp among the “gods”:q
2 “How long will youa defend the unjust
and show partialityr to the wicked?b s
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;t
uphold the cause of the pooru and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.v
They walk about in darkness;w
all the foundationsx of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;y
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will diez like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up,a O God, judgeb the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.c

He is speaking of the leaders who were rulers and judges.

Notes:

elohiym <0430>

Myhla 'elohiym

Pronunciation:el-o-heem'
Originlural of 0433

Definition:1) (plural)
1a) rulers, judges
1b) divine ones
1c) angels
1d) gods
2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
2a) god, goddess
2b) godlike one
2c) works or special possessions of God
2d) the (true) God
2e) God

This also takes care of misguided interpretations

Jesus said ....To the rulers who wanted to take Him in. That they, the rulers were called "god's". And considering they were judging him based on their knowledge, it could be said they were judges.
The word [son]then can mean one who takes on the likeness. For who was said to be Like their father the devil?

 

[Andrew4jesus]

Medieval Britain seems to have believed very deeply in angels.
"Woe unto you, England, you who once shone forth with holy, angelic offspring,but who now groans mightily with worry for your sins."

This was written by an unknown author during the Norman conquest

 

[jaybird88]

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law,c ‘I have said you are “gods” ’d?d 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set asidef—36 what about the one whom the Father set apartg as his very ownh and sent into the world?i Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?j 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.k 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”l

The word of God came to Israel who He also calls son.

Psalms 82

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgmentp among the “gods”:q
2 “How long will youa defend the unjust
and show partialityr to the wicked?b s
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;t
uphold the cause of the pooru and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.v
They walk about in darkness;w
all the foundationsx of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;y
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will diez like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up,a O God, judgeb the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.c

He is speaking of the leaders who were rulers and judges.

Notes:

elohiym <0430>

Myhla 'elohiym

Pronunciation:el-o-heem'
Originlural of 0433

Definition:1) (plural)
1a) rulers, judges
1b) divine ones
1c) angels
1d) gods
2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
2a) god, goddess
2b) godlike one
2c) works or special possessions of God
2d) the (true) God
2e) God

do you think the gods of psalm 82 are men?
i dont see men listed in the definitions.

 

[corinth77777]

Medieval Britain seems to have believed very deeply in angels.
"Woe unto you, England, you who once shone forth with holy, angelic offspring,but who now groans mightily with worry for your sins."

This was written by an unknown author during the Norman conquest

1 Timothy 1:4


Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

 

[corinth77777]

do you think the gods of psalm 82 are men?
i dont see men listed in the definitions.

Yes, Mcgee says if you sit in the place of God judging..ye are called gods.
Anytime you pass judgement you are acting in the place of God. You may stand in the place of God but will be Judged just like man. Similarily, parents must come down to be judged with the responsibility that was given unto them.

 

[jaybird88]

1 Timothy 1:4


Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Philippians 4:8

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

 

[jaybird88]

Yes, Mcgee says if you sit in the place of God judging..ye are called gods.
Anytime you pass judgement you are acting in the place of God. You may stand in the place of God but will be Judged just like man. Similarily, parents must come down to be judged with the responsibility that was given unto them.

the psalm says they (the gods) are the ones being judged. the men are judged to die like men? thats not much of a judgment. how did these men get into a "divine" council? and the council takes place in the skies, does man dwell in the skies?

 

[corinth77777]

I asked this question a while ago...
Where did the angels go after they left their abode? What was their sin?

"God spared not the angels that sinned, but...delivered them into chains of darkness AND spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person,"

 

[corinth77777]

the psalm says they (the gods) are the ones being judged. the men are judged to die like men? thats not much of a judgment. how did these men get into a "divine" council? and the council takes place in the skies, does man dwell in the skies?

Yes...in the same way you judge your children...and you are the leaders over them, you too will be Judged for how you Lord over them.
God granted man skills...and strength. In this world people are different because of what God gave them, not because of what they got on their own.
There are 3 levels of heaven and the first is the skies...Where do you suppose God spoke to mosis from? [Note: My opinion without reading what you are referring to as "council"

"To die like men" is taken from the perspective of who people think they are.

When they chose "fair" wives of all "their" choice shows they did not obey God.