Ron Gurley
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Is there a citation to Scripture to the contrary??
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I'm still trying to figure out what you are trying to support with the Scriptures you cited earlier.Is there a citation to Scripture to the contrary??
Don't you mean his latter book, "The Orthodox Way"?I would highly recommend reading Kallistos Ware's book, the Orthodox Church, to give you a more complete background into our theology.
Indeed! Glorify Him!Christ is ascended!
Don't you mean his latter book, "The Orthodox Way"?
"The Orthodox Church" is more of a history of the Church although he does cover a bit of the theology in the 2nd half of the book. It can be read online for free at the Intratext Library
Indeed! Glorify Him!
Acts 1:5
for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
OIL + WATER + WIND = SPIRIT
It is hard for we non-denominational evangelistic "Scriptura Suprema" types to discuss that blatant ADVERTISEMENT that Post # 362 is.
Just curious;Post #364:"the oil in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins is a reference to "good works"
Wrong. The oil is SPIRIT.
I beg to differ. We are united to Christ through Faith Alone.POST#333: "You can't be IN Christ without being united to His "body", which is the Church"
MY post #340 contradicts that "theory". !!
Jesus spoke 3 parables, one after the other, to drive home the same point. What was the common theme in those 3 parables?Post #364:"the oil in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins is a reference to "good works"
Wrong. The oil is SPIRIT.
1 Samuel 16:13
Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward.
Anglicanism is wishy-washy because it was trying to placate bloodthirsty Christians on both the Catholic and Protestant side. It's easy for you to sit back and say they should be more definitive, but just putting rails around the altars was one of the major reasons the English Civil War started (and Calvinists absolutely did not tolerate any form of Christianity but theirs, which they made the state form when they took power). I'm not saying any of that justifies their ludicrously liberal stance today, but maybe you should keep that in mind when asking why things aren't more definitive with them.This is why people caricature your religion. Because people say different things to the questions I ask. Then people get upset with me, when I repeat what I was told.
God's mercy and grace and love are experientially distinct from his wrath, but ontologically they are the same thing. That is, the light from Christ in his transfiguration, is ontologically the same as hellfire.Yes I understand that God reveals himself through works not His essence. But God does how emotions, right. The biggest ones are Mercy, Grace, and Love. That's all I am saying.
Now if my memory serves right. You guys believe that a person is in by Grace, and stays in by works. Is that fair to say?
I am saying Paul is talking about the Law of death, the law we came under with the fall, the law applied to the condemned. When we're in prison, we were subject to a particular code of behavior; but Christ freed us from that prison, so the rules convicts are expected to follow no longer apply to us, and there is nothing beneficial in following them; in fact, by following them, you are ignoring what Christ did.So you are saying, that Paul isn't talking about the whole Law, but only the ceremonial Law?
So that we are not going in circles. What works are you referring too. And what is God's will?
Ontological means pertaining to "on", the Greek word for "being". "Being" in Orthodoxy is comprised of essence and energies (there is essential being, and then there is being as in "to do is to be"; God, for instance, is ontologically the Creator in energies, but not in essence).Let me respond to this first. I asked other EOC members of what their meaning of "ONTOLOGICAL" means? Because I do not want to caricature what they say they believe. Now you guys have said that you don't have written doctrine or sharp lines. But then you guys criticize Augustine. So who determines what is right or wrong in your religion?
But you are missing the point. If people are not evil or have a sinful nature because of the Fall. Then why do they need Grace? Grace is free, given without earning it. This is what is confusing me. If people are in bondage to Satan; how are they in bondage? How did the Fall happen? It seems to me that everything is honky dory. Nothing to worry about. Why so much emphasis on works, when people are not evil or do not have a sinful nature? Please be specific and detailed.
Jesus spoke 3 parables, one after the other, to drive home the same point. What was the common theme in those 3 parables?