Negativity and crisis of faith

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My wife has become a bit despondant due to the state of the world. She is having a bit of an existential crisis.
We have recently had a spate of horrific murders in my country. A guy killed his parents and siblings with an axe, a young girl of three was raped and murdered etc.
She is quite depressed and fearful due to this and has begun to verbalise doubts on the goodness of God, even said she is struggling with faith in His existence even.

This has largely come as a shock to me as she has always had an unshakeable faith. She has been my rock when I struggled into the Truth from my previous atheism.

Now I don't know how to help her. I tried to discuss the ways to solve the question of Evil, but ended up in a long sidetrack on how depraved and evil men are. I was trying to get her to remember that all goodness is ultimately of God, but she says I just made her feel worse. She says I am too negative, my view of man too dark. She says she believed in man, had hope for humanity, which she has now lost. I can't help but think that we are too sinful to get anywhere without God, without divine Grace, but this seems to only drag her downward and worsen the situation. She hates my bleak view of the world and my attempts to stress reliance on God have largely failed on account of how I seem to agree with her estimation of the blackness of the world. I just can't seem to lift her spirits, but my tendency to try and intellectualise everything seems to be driving her away.

I am really at the end of my tether. Prayers would be appreciated and any advice?

I feel a real chance for a wonderful turning point. Isn't it needed to lose faith in man as the good, the essential good, in order to find faith that is further? To begin to believe in the One Who said:

"Love your neighbor as yourself."

And Who said, "So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you."

And Who said on forgiving: "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven."

And Who said,

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."


This is the Good she wants to believe in, I think. If she has faith, this is the Good her faith is about. What can you do? Pray, with belief that aid will be given. And you can pray the Lord's Prayer, because it helps you, and you can show the rest and peace and love you have from Christ.
 
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Quid est Veritas? Jesus is real. So seek 1st the kingdom of GOD and His righteousness and all these things shall be added to you. Keep your eyes on Jesus. ALWAYS. I dont care what happens how BRIGHT or how DARK it gets.. You NEVER EVER take your eyes off Him. Now you NEED to get in to His WORD the BIBLE so when things happen you SPEAK HIS WORD. Like.. you have fear? You say NO the word of God says or its written that God has not given me the spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. And Jesus also gave me His peace not of this world. <---like that.

"SIN" if we sin we go to JESUS..we confess it and He is faithful to forgive us and cleans us from ALL ALL ALL unrighteousness. We all feel like you do at times. But we need to BELIEVE have FAITH that no matter how BAD we think we were ..if we confess turn away from that sin..try to not do it anymore.. HE FORGIVES..its GONE. So to remember ..HE has no clue what you are talking about..if you confessed it.

He does not condemn you. there is now no condemnation to them IN Christ Jesus. STOP looking at NEGATIVE. I see this SO much on YOUTUBE and what not. PROPHCY this PROPHECY that.. and its ALWAYS about some negitive thing that has happen in the world. That is not prophecy. I've seen over a MILLION come to Christ in one day and that did not get posted ..anywhere, as if that was not prophecy. People getting saved set free healed.. for every evil thing you see your FATHER is doing TONS MORE GOOD!

So you call on HIM..for HE IS FAITHFUL! He WILL answer He WILL see you through. You and your wife need to come together as one. How? PRAYER.. starts small if you never have and build up from that. MY GOD IS STRONG and MIGHTY.. a song playing right now ALL THINGS POSSIBLE mark Schultz.. what are the ODDS that SONG is playing RIGHT NOW! HAHA praise GOD..HE IS TALKING TO YOU!

So find what HE promised YOU..you both read it. and thank HIM that HE heard you.. He is IS IS For you not against you. So what NEGITIVE things come to your mind? FLIP IT.. well satan can not tell the truth. God is in fact about to MOVE GREATLY in your life. I am sorry..so sorry..I dont know how to GIVE this knowing to you...your GOD is the God of Abraham Issac and Jaocb.. of our lord JESUS Christ.and this GOD? HES YOUR DAD! He never left you.. you sinned.. Ok.. thats why HE DIED! So JUMP in to His arms and BELIEVE HIM.not me not many man.. you believe HIM.. HE cant lie.

Isa 41:10..for you.. form HIM "Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness."
 
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Evil exists we can acknowledge it without letting the fear of it consume us. Perhaps evil is a product of freewill. When we have knowledge of good and evil and choose evil, we fall into the hands of the living God and vengeance is His. The Just should think on what is good and let God handle the burden of evil.
 
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My wife has become a bit despondant due to the state of the world. She is having a bit of an existential crisis.
We have recently had a spate of horrific murders in my country. A guy killed his parents and siblings with an axe, a young girl of three was raped and murdered etc.
She is quite depressed and fearful due to this and has begun to verbalise doubts on the goodness of God, even said she is struggling with faith in His existence even.

This has largely come as a shock to me as she has always had an unshakeable faith. She has been my rock when I struggled into the Truth from my previous atheism.

Now I don't know how to help her. I tried to discuss the ways to solve the question of Evil, but ended up in a long sidetrack on how depraved and evil men are. I was trying to get her to remember that all goodness is ultimately of God, but she says I just made her feel worse. She says I am too negative, my view of man too dark. She says she believed in man, had hope for humanity, which she has now lost. I can't help but think that we are too sinful to get anywhere without God, without divine Grace, but this seems to only drag her downward and worsen the situation. She hates my bleak view of the world and my attempts to stress reliance on God have largely failed on account of how I seem to agree with her estimation of the blackness of the world. I just can't seem to lift her spirits, but my tendency to try and intellectualise everything seems to be driving her away.

I am really at the end of my tether. Prayers would be appreciated and any advice?

Hello, What is the truth? The truth about being Christian and Divine Sovereignty

How bad is man?

Quid est Veritas, may your wife read this first paragraph and know you are quite right to have a dark view of man. Believers, seeing their own redemption in the gospels often over look the 18% or more of the all the words of four Gospels are words in the context where the Lord Jesus condemns the Jews.

We should not be dumbfounded at the evil, violence, and wickedness in the world, but the surprise ought to be that there is any good in the world. The LORD looked for good many times but never to find much of it. What are the repeated events of the Bible? This is the story of the disobedience by Adam and Eve, of Cain and Able, of Noah and the flood, of Sodom and Gomorrah, of the continuous line of wicked kings of Israel and Judah, of the destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel because the people rejected YHWH, of the Babylonian exile because the people rejected YHWH, and then there is the post biblical account of the A/D 66-72 War of the Jews against Rome because the people rejected the Lord Jesus and again in 132-136. What were the sins of King David? And . . . . what is the record of all the rest of history with its debauchery?

The biblical story of the Hebrews is the repeated rejection of YHWH. One must reasonably ask, “Why didn’t some scribe destroy all the records of the failure of Israel and rewrite an account of a faithful people who did not continuously violate the covenant?

How can a good God permit such horrific acts upon the innocent?

The problem of evil seems to always pose the question about divine sovereignty . . . . . and his goodness.

However, the existence of evil, violence, and wickedness must not be understood in questions about the nature of God, as in his sovereignty, but in understanding the purpose of God as recorded in the Bible which purpose is the divine plan of redemption of sinful man.

Figure this!

Was the Lord Jesus innocent?
How can a good God permit such horrific acts upon the innocent?
Ask the Lord Jesus this question.
His answer from the NASB.

“Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?”

“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”

Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

For whom did the Lord Jesus suffer the divine wrath? Those other sinners and not us Christians?

The wrath of YHWH was poured out upon his only begotten on the cross because men are evil, violent, and wicked. What utter blasphemy it is to ask YHWH how he can permit such horrific acts upon the innocent? Those who ask this question do so when they have created a god for our own pleasure of love, comfort, safety, and peace rather than understood the YHWH of the Bible. Does you wife think the Apostles and other martyred early Christians accused YHWH and lost their faith because their world was not one of love, comfort, safety, and peace?

To be fair to your wife, often life long Christians have become so changed that evil, violence, and wickedness seems so foreign to their own changed nature it becomes unfathomable that the unsaved live with such horrific thoughts.
 
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I wish it were that simple. My wife thinks you must know of all the crime and so forth, in order to avoid it. A fair point, but she feels she must follow police pronouncements and court cases etc. for our own safety. She wants to be prepared for the worst, to avoid the situations that resulted therein.
This is part of my problem. I cannot protect her from the evils of the world and if I try and address them, she says I just worsen the situation, as I inevitably come off very negative.

Being aware and cautious is wise. Obsessing over any and every thing but the LORD is idol worship.
 
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I am really at the end of my tether. Prayers would be appreciated and any advice?

I went through a similiar phase as this... almost a "season" of fear and strange phobias. I finally figured out that what was causing all these fears in my mind was what I was watching on TV and all watching a bunch of strange videos on youtube about how bad of shape the world is in and all these predictions that Obama is the anti-Christ and how I might not be ready when Jesus returns..... I got so parranoid that I could barley leave the house... it was bad.

The news is VERY depressing and negative. When I see the news on now, I get kind of get a "fear response" because I remember that period of time when I became so fearful so i immediately turn it off. I say this: don't let her watch the news. Read positive stuff. Focus on joy, smiling, and laughter.

"The joy of the Lord is our strength." I've found some real truth in that scripture, God's spirit is very joyful, happy, and free. When I focus on God's love and really doing GOOD in life, the fear goes away. I'm so thankful I came out of that period of time because it was quite frightening. I'm sorry to hear that she was the "rock" and now she's slipping. Don't give up and keep on praying and repenting and seeking His face.
 
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God created mankind "good" and then Adam sinned and his sin made it impossible for any human to enter into heaven to be with God.

Genesis 1:31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

"Good" in this verse might not ought to be used to interpret man as "good" but the work of the LORD as being "good." Theologians usually state man was created innocent rather than "good" for theological reasons.
 
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I went through a similiar phase as this... almost a "season" of fear and strange phobias. I finally figured out that what was causing all these fears in my mind was what I was watching on TV and all watching a bunch of strange videos on youtube about how bad of shape the world is in and all these predictions that Obama is the anti-Christ and how I might not be ready when Jesus returns..... I got so parranoid that I could barley leave the house... it was bad.

The news is VERY depressing and negative. When I see the news on now, I get kind of get a "fear response" because I remember that period of time when I became so fearful so i immediately turn it off. I say this: don't let her watch the news. Read positive stuff. Focus on joy, smiling, and laughter.

"The joy of the Lord is our strength." I've found some real truth in that scripture, God's spirit is very joyful, happy, and free. When I focus on God's love and really doing GOOD in life, the fear goes away. I'm so thankful I came out of that period of time because it was quite frightening. I'm sorry to hear that she was the "rock" and now she's slipping. Don't give up and keep on praying and repenting and seeking His face.

WilliamBo, Garbage in garbage out. Glad you figured this out. In my younger days our ministers and parents taught us this from the words of the Lord Jesus. Then came along Hefner describing inappropriate contentography as art, psychology using speculation as science, and entertainment promoters attesting that their product was just games and make believe.
All satanic lies. People don't have to be smart, just observant, to see that we become what we dwell upon. Believers just have to read and believe the teachings of the Lord Jesus in the gospels.

If one is not going to be very selective about what is watched on TV or seen on the internet, rather than poke your eyes out, it would be advised to place these devices on the curb for trash pick up. Instead, worship and praise are unbeatable.
 
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Can I ask the OP what denomination is he and his wife and do they believe sola scriptura?
Dutch Reformed Church of South Africa (Nederduits Gereformeerde) - it is sort of equivalent to Presbytarian. Yes, Sola Scriptura.
 
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People don't have to be smart, just observant, to see that we become what we dwell upon. Believers just have to read and believe the teachings of the Lord Jesus in the gospels.

Instead, worship and praise are unbeatable.

I agree. Good way of putting that simply, I'll keep that in mind. Yea at the time I was studying strange topics like "demonology" which I will never again go into because it caused fear to rise up in me. A very strange trap I fell into for sure. I was also at a bad spot in my life (am just now coming out of it) and now God is really giving me common sense which is a HUGE blessing, practical wisdom and keeping things simple.
 
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Genesis 1:31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

"Good" in this verse might not ought to be used to interpret man as "good" but the work of the LORD as being "good." Theologians usually state man was created innocent rather than "good" for theological reasons.

I see what you mean. Only God is all-good.

Scripture does state that some people are good and some are not. It depends on the type of deeds that they do.

Proverbs 12:2
A good man obtains favor from the Lord, but a man of evil devices he condemns. rsv

Proverbs 13:22
A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children, but the sinner’s wealth is laid up for the righteous. rsv

Proverbs 14:14
A perverse man will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man with the fruit of his deeds. rsv

Matthew 12:35
The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. rsv

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. rsv



 
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My wife has become a bit despondant due to the state of the world. She is having a bit of an existential crisis.
We have recently had a spate of horrific murders in my country. A guy killed his parents and siblings with an axe, a young girl of three was raped and murdered etc.
She is quite depressed and fearful due to this and has begun to verbalise doubts on the goodness of God, even said she is struggling with faith in His existence even.

This has largely come as a shock to me as she has always had an unshakeable faith. She has been my rock when I struggled into the Truth from my previous atheism.

Now I don't know how to help her. I tried to discuss the ways to solve the question of Evil, but ended up in a long sidetrack on how depraved and evil men are. I was trying to get her to remember that all goodness is ultimately of God, but she says I just made her feel worse. She says I am too negative, my view of man too dark. She says she believed in man, had hope for humanity, which she has now lost. I can't help but think that we are too sinful to get anywhere without God, without divine Grace, but this seems to only drag her downward and worsen the situation. She hates my bleak view of the world and my attempts to stress reliance on God have largely failed on account of how I seem to agree with her estimation of the blackness of the world. I just can't seem to lift her spirits, but my tendency to try and intellectualise everything seems to be driving her away.

I am really at the end of my tether. Prayers would be appreciated and any advice?
The wheat has to grow up with the tares. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The unfortunate inevitability of free will is that some will exercise it for evil. Unless we all want to be robots, this is an aspect of God's plan that we'll just have to accept until we go home.
 
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In the Old Testament and the New Testament, equally bad and worse things happened to people, seemingly on a regular basis. Evil's existence does not negate the existence of God, the power of God, or the goodness of God. It's had plenty of chances to do that over thousands of years. What's more, I would follow God even if he wasn't good, because he is still the one true God. It makes no sense to not follow the one true God.

Ultimately though, you're dealing with an emotional reaction more than a logical reaction. I can't tell you how to make the strong emotions of another person whom I have never met submit to the truth that I just mentioned.
 
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I see what you mean. Only God is all-good.

Scripture does state that some people are good and some are not. It depends on the type of deeds that they do.

Proverbs 12:2
A good man obtains favor from the Lord, but a man of evil devices he condemns. rsv

Proverbs 13:22
A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children, but the sinner’s wealth is laid up for the righteous. rsv

Proverbs 14:14
A perverse man will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man with the fruit of his deeds. rsv

Matthew 12:35
The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. rsv

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. rsv




Jan001,

Forgive my poor explanation.
I do not think “good” in Genesis 1:31 is making the point that “Only God is all-good.”
Good in this verse is an adverb modifying the quality of what was made by Elohim.
There is nothing intended in this verse either about the character of Elohim or of humans in verse 27.

In the previous post the word “man” was used to mean the man and woman made in his image (v.27). The only point I wished to make is that theologians generally make the distinction between the first man and woman (Adam and Eve) being created innocent rather than tagging them as “good.” If they were good in the sense of righteousness they would have to have had the knowledge of good and evil to make such a righteous decision.

My comment was never intended to be understood as claiming the Bible never referred to people as good.

In making your reply, you have referenced Proverbs, Matthew, and John. Indeed, these scriptures state some are good. It is interesting that the verses from Proverbs do not have the word “man” in the Hebrew. “Good” is used like a pronoun implying a person of a particular quality or character. Therefore, in these verses from Proverbs the Hebrew word "good" is the the person. Excellent references to prove your point.
 
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Dutch Reformed Church of South Africa (Nederduits Gereformeerde) - it is sort of equivalent to Presbytarian. Yes, Sola Scriptura.
Thanks, I was just curious. There are a lot of verses in the Bible that talk about how we should not fear. These may be helpful to do a at home Bible study about these verses.
 
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My wife has become a bit despondant due to the state of the world. She is having a bit of an existential crisis.
We have recently had a spate of horrific murders in my country. A guy killed his parents and siblings with an axe, a young girl of three was raped and murdered etc.
She is quite depressed and fearful due to this and has begun to verbalise doubts on the goodness of God, even said she is struggling with faith in His existence even.

This has largely come as a shock to me as she has always had an unshakeable faith. She has been my rock when I struggled into the Truth from my previous atheism.

Now I don't know how to help her. I tried to discuss the ways to solve the question of Evil, but ended up in a long sidetrack on how depraved and evil men are. I was trying to get her to remember that all goodness is ultimately of God, but she says I just made her feel worse. She says I am too negative, my view of man too dark. She says she believed in man, had hope for humanity, which she has now lost. I can't help but think that we are too sinful to get anywhere without God, without divine Grace, but this seems to only drag her downward and worsen the situation. She hates my bleak view of the world and my attempts to stress reliance on God have largely failed on account of how I seem to agree with her estimation of the blackness of the world. I just can't seem to lift her spirits, but my tendency to try and intellectualise everything seems to be driving her away.

I am really at the end of my tether. Prayers would be appreciated and any advice?

Hi Quid est Veritas,

I'm sorry to hear that you're wife is experiencing some challenging emotions, and I know that it is tough to deal with right now since she is pregnant and, as you described before in previous threads, the medical situation with her pregnancy is delicate. In this instance, I'm not going to offer the same 'spiritualized' advice that many others here seem to be offering; they've already offered it and there's not much need for me to repeat all of that other than to say that I will pray for the both of you.

As a fellow man, husband, believer and father, I'd just say that I commiserate with you in concern for your wife's feelings about faith, but I wouldn't let it trouble you too much at the moment. A lot of it is probably brought on by the fact that she has her own concerns about her pregnancy health and is suffering from depression. This is what depression does--it makes us feel helpless and puts us in a frame of mind that inhibits us from seeing the silver lining in things. This is part of the reason it's called 'depression.'

If your wife is expressing doubts, I would try not to let it concern you at the moment. It's not necessarily evidence of some spiritual failure on her part (or on your part). I think she's just got a lot on her plate to deal with as a person handling a delicate pregnancy situation, so just try to take her doubts in stride for the time being, and don't take it to heart that she's questioning her faith. Just pray for her and patiently 'be there' for her without judgement and without trying to contest each misgiving she expresses right now. If and when the pregnancy succeeds, then you might find some of that more spiritual woman you've always known popping through again.

Peace,
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