Is God a liar?

[BobRyan]

There is nothing Christian about the Big Bang except the universe had a beginning.

Well let's see - a few things that can be "Christian" about it.
1. The Universe had a beginning
2. The universe is expanding "The Bible says - unfolding like a curtain"
3. There are fixed laws that apply all across the universe -- gravity for example.

To name a view

 

[Meowzltov]

You assume that God needs a planetary body in order to have a light source. This is not true. God can have light without any tangible source, He is God.

Do you know what light is? It is waves/photons. They exist objectively. If there are no waves/photons, then it is not light by definition. The nature of waves/photons is that they have direction: they come from somewhere/they have a source. The do not simply exist on their own. If they existed on their own, they would not be waves/photons.

 

[Meowzltov]

I also start with the presumption that both the Genesis account is honest. I use the word "honest" carefully. I've known human reporting that was "honest" and yet not what I'd call "accurate in detail."

This makes absolutely no sense. It's like asking if Star Trek is honest.

 

[Meowzltov]

The sixth night of dreams would end that morning, and there would be no dream of creation on the seventh night. The Bronze Age man is left to interpret what he has seen to others.

Creation stories don't originate with dreams. I wrote a Creation myth once. It's objective was to unify the the Imminence and Eminence aspects of God. It was a beautiful story. But it came out of my creative mind. Not a dream.

 

[JacksBratt]

Do you know what light is? It is waves/photons. They exist objectively. If there are no waves/photons, then it is not light by definition. The nature of waves/photons is that they have direction: they come from somewhere/they have a source. The do not simply exist on their own. If they existed on their own, they would not be waves/photons.

God is God. He created "waves and photons" He needs no planetary body..... He is light.

Revelation 21:23King James Version (KJV)

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

 

[RDKirk]

This makes absolutely no sense. It's like asking if Star Trek is honest.

Star Trek is nothing anyone claims to have actually experienced.

It happens every day that an eye witness is perfectly honest and yet inaccurate.

 

[RDKirk]

Creation stories don't originate with dreams. I wrote a Creation myth once. It's objective was to unify the the Imminence and Eminence aspects of God. It was a beautiful story. But it came out of my creative mind. Not a dream.

But a whole lot of God's revelations are given in dreams. Most are, in fact.

 

[BobRyan]

No. It wouldn't look anything like the Genesis story. If God began creating on the first day, the Earth wouldn't even be created until day six. Life wouldn't exist until 3:00 in the afternoon. Mankind wouldn't be created until about 10 minutes before sunset. Actually that's being generous.

Then there are the problems with order. Land came before water. You can't have light without stars; stars come first. And animals come before birds.

This is true - a timelaps of blind-faith-evolutionism or even atheist-cosmology is not going to look like the Bible account of "what actually happened in nature" as God Himself acted - and did the work that "matter alone" could never do.

 

[BobRyan]

You assume that God needs a planetary body in order to have a light source. This is not true. God can have light without any tangible source, He is God.

Land before water, water before land......these are now problems for God........... I think not.

Animals before birds, birds before animals.....again.....a problem for God? Hardly..

The Genesis account, as written is perfectly possible and perfectly within the abilities of an all powerful God.

The only reason man has any trouble with it is that man has to fit everything in his understanding.

I take it this way.............God is capable to do it as He said..........therefore He did it as He said.

Anything that man comes up with to create an issue with this...........is just the thinking of men... and totally null and void to the abilities of God.

This is true. Atheist's Naturalism is the "proposed speculation" it is not "the given starting conditions".

 

[Humble Servant of Christ]

Creation stories don't originate with dreams. I wrote a Creation myth once. It's objective was to unify the the Imminence and Eminence aspects of God. It was a beautiful story. But it came out of my creative mind. Not a dream.

God clearly reveals Himself and His plan through dreams. Matthew 1:20-21.

 

[Aman777]

Do you know what light is? It is waves/photons. They exist objectively. If there are no waves/photons, then it is not light by definition. The nature of waves/photons is that they have direction: they come from somewhere/they have a source. The do not simply exist on their own. If they existed on their own, they would not be waves/photons.

Jesus is the Light of the first Day. He is also the Light of men. He is also the Light of Heaven. He is brighter than the noonday Sun and many people saw Him in the Old Testament. Want Scripture?

 

[BobRyan]

Do you know what light is? It is waves/photons. They exist objectively. If there are no waves/photons, then it is not light by definition.

True but there are more sources of light than nuclear fusion on the sun.

 

[BobRyan]

God clearly reveals Himself and His plan through dreams. Matthew 1:20-21.

Amen!

Numbers 12:
6 He said,
“Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, shall make Myself known to him in a vision.
I shall speak with him in a dream.
7 “Not so, with My servant Moses,
He is faithful in all My household;
8 With him I speak mouth to mouth,
Even openly, and not in dark sayings,
And he beholds the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
To speak against My servant, against Moses?”

Those who are at war against the Bible - declare its inspiration to be untrustworthy. I don't think any of us would find that to be surprising. So all can agree to at least one thing.

 

[Humble Servant of Christ]

Jesus is the Light of the first Day. He is also the Light of men. He is also the Light of Heaven. He is brighter than the noonday Sun and many people saw Him in the Old Testament. Want Scripture?

This does not make sense in context of Genesis 1: 3-5. Are you saying that God said let there be Jesus (light) and he saw that Jesus (light) was good and seperated Jesus (light) from darkness? Jesus is the light of the world but in the creation account of Genesis, Jesus is not the light refered to in Genesis 1:3-5. Jesus is not created but is outside of time and space. He has no end or beginning.

 

[Aman777]

This does not make sense in context of Genesis 1: 3-5. Are you saying that God said let there be Jesus (light) and he saw that Jesus (light) was good and seperated Jesus (light) from darkness? Jesus is the light of the world but in the creation account of Genesis, Jesus is not the light refered to in Genesis 1:3-5. Jesus is not created but is outside of time and space. He has no end or beginning.

Amen. Jesus was within the invisible Spirit we call God, BEFORE the beginning of the physical world. Gen 1:1 Jesus came forth from within the invisible Spirit into the physical world when the Trinity said, Let there be light. IOW, God, Himself became physical form and we call that incarnation of the invisible God, YHWH in the Old and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. God is ONE.

Jhn 1:6 ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.Jhn 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. Jhn 1:10 ¶ He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and His own received Him not.Jhn 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Meowzltov]

True but there are more sources of light than nuclear fusion on the sun.

Can photons/waves exist independently without a source?

 

[Meowzltov]

Jesus is the Light of the first Day. He is also the Light of men. He is also the Light of Heaven. He is brighter than the noonday Sun and many people saw Him in the Old Testament. Want Scripture?

This is a metaphor. Sheesh. Revelations is a VISION. Don't you understant that visions aren't literal?

I don't personally buy the "Christophany" thing.

 

[Meowzltov]

God clearly reveals Himself and His plan through dreams. Matthew 1:20-21.

I agree. I've personally had dreams that are from the Lord.

This is irrelevant to my point. My point is that Creation stories don't originate with dreams. They come from the creative mind.

 

[Meowzltov]

blind-faith-evolutionism

You can't call it "blind faith" since the evidence supports it.

 

[Meowzltov]

But a whole lot of God's revelations are given in dreams. Most are, in fact.

Virtually no revelations in Scriptures are given in dreams except a few verses.