What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

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[keith99]

Then ask a bunch, lol. What a ridiculous conversation when the point seems to be no more than proving a clearly good answer wrong.

You consider relying on someone else when you can instead test it yourself a good answer?

And when you rely on the wrong person you come up with answers like the ones you tout here.

 

[Ana the Ist]

God is not accountable to you, as much as you are not accountable to every animal, not that I am calling you an animal, but rather drawing a comparison of what preposterious requests you think that you can make of God. God is NOT a genie in a bottle where you can clap your hands together and then God appears for your entertainment.

In this regard God doesn't care for your entertainment to appease you. For your appeal is likened to salesmen in a world that deceive one another and be deceived themselves. This is not the trait of the Holy God, but only a vain image madeup by salesmen that think that God is somehow on par with them. If I can draw again the statement that you are not accountable to every animal, right? So why do you think that you are on par with God if your end, as a finite mortal man, will one day go to his grave just like other mortal men.

6“DID I Ever say, ‘You are “gods”; HA! you are all sons of the Creator, the one true God.’ 7But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” (Psalm 82:6-7)

The disease that plagues humanity is the flagrant boasting of mortal men who think that they are their own lords many and gods many. Foolishness at its extreme is what inherently renders carnal men to put themselves on a high and almighty peddle STOOL!

Did you mean pedestal?

Or did you really mean to say "peddle stool"?

 

[Ana the Ist]

God is not accountable to you, as much as you are not accountable to every animal, not that I am calling you an animal, but rather drawing a comparison of what preposterious requests you think that you can make of God. God is NOT a genie in a bottle where you can clap your hands together and then God appears for your entertainment.

In this regard God doesn't care for your entertainment to appease you. For your appeal is likened to salesmen in a world that deceive one another and be deceived themselves. This is not the trait of the Holy God, but only a vain image madeup by salesmen that think that God is somehow on par with them. If I can draw again the statement that you are not accountable to every animal, right? So why do you think that you are on par with God if your end, as a finite mortal man, will one day go to his grave just like other mortal men.

6“DID I Ever say, ‘You are “gods”; HA! you are all sons of the Creator, the one true God.’ 7But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” (Psalm 82:6-7)

The disease that plagues humanity is the flagrant boasting of mortal men who think that they are their own lords many and gods many. Foolishness at its extreme is what inherently renders carnal men to put themselves on a high and almighty peddle STOOL!

I literally can't stop laughing since this post...the irony of you telling anyone about "foolishness" and then going on to spell "pedestal" as "peddle stool" like we're all a bunch of poo traders.

Is English not your first language? You clearly don't understand words like "tangible" or "verifiable" or concepts like "cognitive dissonance"...so I'm just curious what the impediment to conversation is here. Are you very young?

 

[Belk]

I literally can't stop laughing since this post...the irony of you telling anyone about "foolishness" and then going on to spell "pedestal" as "peddle stool" like we're all a bunch of poo traders.

Is English not your first language? You clearly don't understand words like "tangible" or "verifiable" or concepts like "cognitive dissonance"...so I'm just curious what the impediment to conversation is here. Are you very young?

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's hard these days Belk...it's the certainty with which that sentence was constructed...

It's like I can imagine him sitting there thinking, "these fools have set themselves up upon a bunch of peddle stools and I'm gonna let them know!"....

And I literally, just a couple posts ago, told him, "hey, you don't seem to understand the meaning of these words you're using..."

Yet, with the confidence of a sleepwalker...he just steps right back in it.

Someone's peddling stool here alright...

 

[CrystalDragon]

Technically wouldn't that be called a "pedal" stool and not a "peddle" stool?

 

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[bhsmte]

Your argument is from a position of ignorance and this is a logical fallacy.

The argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy that claims that a premise is false because it has not (yet) been proven true by the individual's personal experience. This is often phrased as "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

You can't discount billions of people across the last 2000 years and counting who have, as witnesses the evidence from their life long experience and this, in no way deminishes their tangible experiential evidence by the absence of evidence in your own person personal experiences, where you called it LACKING, therefore your faulty conclusion as far as the logical fallacy is concerned can not be used as evidence of absence to the existence of God.

You are not in a position to make any claims, because as you admitted that you are lacking the personal experience, right?



For me it isn't a matter of hope, for it is a forgone conclusion. The answer to the existence of God wasn't contrived by the life span of a single individual who admits that they lack the experiential evidence, rather it has been throughout the history of humanity the real and tangible experiential evidence presented by a multitude of independent witnesses.

Your claim that everyone else knows that the independent and historical witnesses are illegitimate is a false claim, that has absolutely no backing what so ever. Do you know how many witnesses are required to dismiss the testimony of a single witness?

Two or more. If there are billions of independent Christian witnesses, then they far out number any Athiest witnesses who want to bring a railing accusation that those witnesses are illigitamate. The fact of the mater is that Athiests claim to the word LACKING as their evidence to the existence of God, so this opinion could not even be used in a court of law as a counter claim to a single Christian witness. Basically every Athiest that ever existed does not stand a chance in a court proceeding to discount a single Christian eye witness.

This is very sad for the Athiest, they have been robbed and Athiest profits them absolutely nothing!



Again verifiable evidence is ratified by billions of independent witnesses, spanning the last 2000 years and counting.

You read books right? You read newspapers, right? You watch online media, right?

So how is it that you consider as verifiable evidence all the historical written accounts and numerous of corroborating witnesses in all the media sources you look at as independent sources of evidence that corroborate with one another?

How can you flip flop on your own constructive cognition in evidentiary gathering when it comes to the billions of independent Christian witnesses?

You have a high and almighty double standard when it comes to Christainity? Why I said it so?



You never apply it consistently, because you continue to feed dissonance into the equation, in order to maintain your rigid preconceived cognition about the none existence of God.



The independent experiences of billions of Christians throughout the last 2000 are verifiable and corroborative. Your personal lacking of verifiable experience is not evidence of absence. Your double standard cognition uses eye witness evidence that is remote from your personal access but you still accept it as evidence, but when it comes to the many witnesses of for Christianity you incorporate a bias and different cognitive rule constructs to feed your dissonance.

When you hear on the news of a plane crash, you hear stories from eye witnesses and you believe them without any preconceived bias of having them verifiably proven to your satisfaction.

Your trying to raise the wall of Berlin when it comes to the existence of God.




This is not how you gather 99.9999999% of your verifiable
evidence. You are not there and you have not touched 99.99999% or what you believed as evidence. You believe what you are told by media outlets and history books, science books, but you have not literally seen it yourself, touched it yourself, independently figured it out yourself, rather you accept it with little scrutiny 99.99999% of the time.



So, if I use your methodology, I should not regard anything I see, read through books and media because I haven't touched it and I wasn't there, right?

In Christianity, the multitude who are having a real and tangible experience with Jesus Christ are testifying it directly as primary's witnesses, who have been touched by Jesus and have been there by experiencing God first hand.



Dismissed!
Because it is a false, fake and phony assertion.



You are not in a position to opine in this regard, remember you said that you are lacking the personal experience!



Am I talking to a human being? Must touch and experience be limited to a cave man five senses aspect? Have not many people been touched by the plights of many throughout the ages, especially people that they haven't even met, let alone physically touched.

You too have roll models in all aspects of life that give you inspiration, whether you like the arts, sciences or theatre, you have been touched by people you know not from a five sense point of view, you haven't met them because they are either departed or inaccessible to you. You may be touched by your grandparents who stood up to Hitler and the likes and even though you have not seen them, you gravitate to them as you feel comforted when you visit holocaust and memorial sites around the world.

You mean to tell me that you as a human being solely apply the five senses as the definition of something real and tangible in your life, oh come on please!



Don't you know by now what cognitive dissonance means and how double standards and biases prevents many Athiests from experiencing Jesus Christ. You have been robbed my friend.p, for Athieism profits you nothing. The Jewish messiah came to the Jews first because he loved them and they rejected him, why?

Jesus Christ should be the role model and great inspiration of every Jew.

Can I invite you as a friend to at least call upon the name of Jesus Christ in English or in Hebrew to let him reveal himself to you?

You have absolutely nothing to loose and everything to gain.

Why Christians do what they do, even after what became of them in the Bolshevik Revolution is because they have been touched by the Jewish Messiah who loves Jews and wants them back on his side and by his side.

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[CrystalDragon]

How wonderful, thankyou for correcting me. You must be the second person who has corrected me, thankyou.

No prob.

 

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[Rebecca12]

If I can draw again the statement that you are not accountable to every animal, right? So why do you think that you are on par with God if your end, as a finite mortal man, will one day go to his grave just like other mortal men.

But animals are not told to worship us. We demand nothing of them.

 

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[possibletarian]

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." (Genesis 1:26)

Did the dog or the cat pick you as their owner or you chose it?

God has dominion over man and man has dominion over animals and this is the natural hierarchy.

We don't claim to be their god, love every hair on their heads, or offer them eternal life if only they worship us. They can see, feel and touch us, The comparison is so wrong on so many levels.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Your argument is from a position of ignorance and this is a logical fallacy.

I'll just stop you here since I already know what a "argument from ignorance" is and I haven't said that you're wrong because you haven't proven yourself correct...I say that you're wrong because you are wrong.

You can't discount billions of people across the last 2000 years and counting who have, as witnesses the evidence from their life long experience and this, in no way deminishes their tangible experiential evidence by the absence of evidence in your own person personal experiences, where you called it LACKING, therefore your faulty conclusion as far as the logical fallacy is concerned can not be used as evidence of absence to the existence of God.

You are not in a position to make any claims, because as you admitted that you are lacking the personal experience, right?

I can, and do dismiss them. If you must know, I've asked christian (many in fact) about their personal experiences with god...and they are not the same. What can one conclude except that they did not have the same experiences?

I even created a thread on the topic just for people like yourself. If you want, I'm sure I can provide a link. You can read over the experiences of many people and see for yourself that not only are they not the same...they are wildly different.

For me it isn't a matter of hope, for it is a forgone conclusion. The answer to the existence of God wasn't contrived by the life span of a single individual who admits that they lack the experiential evidence, rather it has been throughout the history of humanity the real and tangible experiential evidence presented by a multitude of independent witnesses.

You're still using "tangible" wrong.

Your claim that everyone else knows that the independent and historical witnesses are illegitimate is a false claim, that has absolutely no backing what so ever. Do you know how many witnesses are required to dismiss the testimony of a single witness?

Two or more. If there are billions of independent Christian witnesses, then they far out number any Athiest witnesses who want to bring a railing accusation that those witnesses are illigitamate. The fact of the mater is that Athiests claim to the word LACKING as their evidence to the existence of God, so this opinion could not even be used in a court of law as a counter claim to a single Christian witness. Basically every Athiest that ever existed does not stand a chance in a court proceeding to discount a single Christian eye witness.

This is very sad for the Athiest, they have been robbed and Athiest profits them absolutely nothing!

Please stop abusing the bold button.

You can make the same argument from popularity over and over...but it's still a fallacy. It wouldn't matter if the entire world except for myself believed specifically in your god...it wouldn't make them correct.

Again verifiable evidence is ratified by billions of independent witnesses, spanning the last 2000 years and counting.

You read books right? You read newspapers, right? You watch online media, right?

So how is it that you consider as verifiable evidence all the historical written accounts and numerous of corroborating witnesses in all the media sources you look at as independent sources of evidence that corroborate with one another?

You're using "verifiable" wrong. You can't verify anyone's account of god...even your own.

How can you flip flop on your own constructive cognition in evidentiary gathering when it comes to the billions of independent Christian witnesses?

You have a high and almighty double standard when it comes to Christainity? Why I said it so?

You're using "dissonance" wrong...but it is amusing so I'm not going to try and educate you on it.

You never apply it consistently, because you continue to feed dissonance into the equation, in order to maintain your rigid preconceived cognition about the none existence of God.

Apply what consistently?

The independent experiences of billions of Christians throughout the last 2000 are verifiable and corroborative.

They are neither verifiable nor corroborative. I'd also add that you have no clue what the experiences of billions are or were...and that is fact.

Your personal lacking of verifiable experience is not evidence of absence. Your double standard cognition uses eye witness evidence that is remote from your personal access but you still accept it as evidence, but when it comes to the many witnesses of for Christianity you incorporate a bias and different cognitive rule constructs to feed your dissonance.

When you hear on the news of a plane crash, you hear stories from eye witnesses and you believe them without any preconceived bias of having them verifiably proven to your satisfaction.

Your trying to raise the wall of Berlin when it comes to the existence of God.

It all depends upon what I'm being asked to believe...and the method of understanding which is being used. If it's a matter of science...I understand something about how that knowledge was gained. The same can be said of many fields of knowledge.

When it comes to the claims of a mere religion though...I have no real clue how you arrived at your beliefs. It could be a multitude of ways...it could be pure imagination. All I know for certain is that you won't be able to provide any proof or evidence of your beliefs and that you'll get very emotional about them.

Neither of those things increase my confidence that your beliefs are true.

This is not how you gather 99.9999999% of your verifiable
evidence. You are not there and you have not touched 99.99999% or what you believed as evidence. You believe what you are told by media outlets and history books, science books, but you have not literally seen it yourself, touched it yourself, independently figured it out yourself, rather you accept it with little scrutiny 99.99999% of the time.



So, if I use your methodology, I should not regard anything I see, read through books and media because I haven't touched it and I wasn't there, right?

See above...it's all going to depend upon the claim and the methodology behind it.

As a general rule though, no...when someone tells you easy, unverified answers to all of life's questions, and then ties them together with some rules about how you should be, and then tells you just to believe them or something awful will eventually happen to you lol....no, as a general rule I'd say do not believe that person.

In Christianity, the multitude who are having a real and tangible experience with Jesus Christ

Not tangible...I can start a thread if you like asking if people ever touched Jesus Christ...I don't think many christians will claim that. I don't think you understand what tangible means. The dictionary is your friend.

are testifying it directly as primary's witnesses, who have been touched by Jesus and have been there by experiencing God first hand.

I'm gonna disagree on that. I've asked a lot of christians about their experiences with god...absolutely none ever claimed to touch him physically.

Dismissed!
Because it is a false, fake and phony assertion.

Is that all it takes to dismiss an assertion now?!?

Then you are Dismissed!!! You've written false phony assertions!!!

You are not in a position to opine in this regard, remember you said that you are lacking the personal experience!



Am I talking to a human being? Must touch and experience be limited to a cave man five senses aspect? Have not many people been touched by the plights of many throughout the ages, especially people that they haven't even met, let alone physically touched.

When we use the word "tangible" yes...we are specifically talking about the sense of touch. The physical sense of touch. That's what "tangible" refers to...to use it any other way is a mistake.

You too have roll models

You mean "role models" right? Were you home schooled or something?

I'm serious...what's going on with you?

in all aspects of life that give you inspiration, whether you like the arts, sciences or theatre, you have been touched by people you know not from a five sense point of view,

Even if I were to say that I was "touched" by them...I wouldn't say that "my experiences with them are tangible" because I can't physically touch them. That's what tangible means.

We need to stop now because we are at an impasse. I need to know if you're aware that...

1. Words have meanings.
2. If you just make up meanings for words that already have meanings...no one knows what you're talking about.
3. Communication is dependent upon our ability to understand one another.

Do you understand these three points? They're not up for debate. I'm only bringing them up because you seem to want to invent your own definition for "tangible" here...and it's not gonna happen.

you haven't met them because they are either departed or inaccessible to you. You may be touched by your grandparents who stood up to Hitler and the likes and even though you have not seen them, you gravitate to them as you feel comforted when you visit holocaust and memorial sites around the world.

You mean to tell me that you as a human being solely apply the five senses as the definition of something real and tangible in your life, oh come on please!

See above...

I didn't invent the word tangible...but I do use it correctly. All those things that you mentioned are not tangible. Look the word up.....please...before you continue to embarrass yourself.

Don't you know by now what cognitive dissonance means and how double standards and biases prevents many Athiests from experiencing Jesus Christ. You have been robbed my friend, for Athieism profits you nothing. The Jewish messiah came to the Jews first because he loved them and they rejected him, why?

Probably because they didn't believe in him either...or he flat out didn't exist. Regardless...

Cognitive dissonance is a form of psychological distress that comes from holding conflicting ideas/beliefs/opinions. For example, if one believes that god knows the future...and that they have free will...that person may experience cognitive dissonance when trying to resolve those two beliefs.

Since you really don't have a clue what I believe...all of your claims of cognitive dissonance are baseless and empty.

Jesus Christ should be the role model and great inspiration of every Jew.

Can I invite you as a friend to at least call upon the name of Jesus Christ in English or in Hebrew to let him reveal himself to you?

You have absolutely nothing to loose and everything to gain.

I tried it...nothing happened...do you feel better now?

Why Christians do what they do, even after what became of them in the Bolshevik Revolution is because they have been touched by the Jewish Messiah who loves Jews and wants them back on his side and by his side.

I see....are you Russian or something? It would explain a lot.

 

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