Why are children allowed to suffer in this world? Because.........

[Godlovesmetwo]

This guy is a very articulate, knowledgeable Christian who does a good job of answering the atheist question on "why are innocent children allowed to suffer?"
Sorry its a bit long. Wish I'd got onto him ages ago. I'm a fan!

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

He bases his talk on the famous "Grand Inquisitor " extract from The Brothers Karamazov. A must read book for anyone who wants to argue with atheists. Also a book for strengthening one's faith I think.

 

[alsughasoughaiuyfygh]

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

"If God love us, why do innocent people suffer?"

Because people are grade-A jerks. God has nothing to do with it.

Actually,

God's Word (The Bible),

says people are a lot worse , overall, than that.

But God still provides a Way to be healed/ saved/ resurrected to eternal life,

even though, as He Himself Says, there is no good reason to save anyone.

(except that He Delights to save those who trust Him,
His Choice to love people,
His Provision to save a few,
as many as are willing)

 

[Paradoxum]

This guy is a very articulate, knowledgeable Christian who does a good job of answering the atheist question on "why are innocent children allowed to suffer?"
Sorry its a bit long. Wish I'd got onto him ages ago. I'm a fan!

Can you summarize the point?

 

[Paradoxum]

"If God love us, why do innocent people suffer?"

Because people are grade-A jerks. God has nothing to do with it.

Why did you stand and watch while a girl was raped?

Because I didn't feel like getting involved, I had nothing to do with it.

Fair enough... you vile piece of crap.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

Can you summarize the point?

I'll try.
He answers that love can only exist in a world of free will. People cant be forced to love. Otherwise its not love. They must choose. A world of free will is imperfect. because many will choose hatred and evil and cruelty towards each other.
I realise this doesn't answer doesn't cover all children' suffering.

 

[Paradoxum]

I'll try.
He answers that love can only exist in a world of free will. People cant be forced to love. Otherwise its not love. They must choose. A world of free will is imperfect. because many will choose hatred and evil and cruelty towards each other.
I realise this doesn't answer doesn't cover all children' suffering.

Why does protection require the exclusion of free will? Stopping a blade from penetaing the skin of the victim doesn't take away the mental free will of the criminal. The criminal had the free choice to attack the victim, and God could freely choose to protect the victim... just like a human hero.

A human might save a victim. This doesn't violate free will.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

"If God love us, why do innocent people suffer?"

Because people are grade-A jerks. God has nothing to do with it.

Where did people come from?

 

[alsughasoughaiuyfygh]

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[GoldenBoy89]

If God intervened in every injustice there was, even you would get punished for something wrong you did.

Shouldn't people be punished for doing wrong?

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

To compare God to a "head in the sand, wash my hands Pontius Pilate type" is unfair I think. God is responsible for all the good in the world, Satan for the evil. Not all suffering can be explained. There is a bigger picture than this life. A child who dies of cancer, must receive eternal reward in my view. So in the scheme of things, maybe their suffering is short. Hopefully anyway.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God is responsible for all the good in the world, Satan for the evil. Not all suffering can be explained.

As we seek God's Kingdom, as He Permits and Reveals The Truth,
we
find that most suffering (or much of it) is clearly at the hand of men,

on purpose by the men/ governments/ etc etc etc..... GOD PROVIDED a way to

stop the suffering in many situations, but man doesn't care nor take it to heart and

often does not even seek God's Way - even Christians do not seek God's Way very often,
because of what they have been told/ taught/ wrongly.

 

[Paradoxum]

If God intervened in every injustice there was, even you would get punished for something wrong you did.

1) He perhaps could only intervene in in violations of people (ie: murder, rape, assault).

2) I'd understand being punished for my wrongs. My wrongs are minor, and protection of victims is more important.

3) I think wrong should be prevented, so they don't have to be pushed (if there were a God).

 

[Rajni]

There are explanations for why the world is the obstacle-course that it obviously is which fall outside of the usual, depressing (to the point of being completely nonconstructive), narratives.

The concept of "pre-birth planning" has greatly settled much of the "why all the suffering" (regardless of physical age, which is really neither here nor there if suffering=bad) questions I've had.

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[possibletarian]

To compare God to a "head in the sand, wash my hands Pontius Pilate type" is unfair I think. God is responsible for all the good in the world, Satan for the evil. Not all suffering can be explained. There is a bigger picture than this life. A child who dies of cancer, must receive eternal reward in my view. So in the scheme of things, maybe their suffering is short. Hopefully anyway.

I think a God would have to be responsible for both, after all as I understand it satan was god's creation ? satan, if indeed that's who tempted Eve had already fallen and was a lair before he tempted Eve.

To cast satan on earth or even allow him to roam may make sense in limited flat earth/ dome heavens understanding of all that is, but it makes no sense these days. that's of course assuming God didn't want to simply destroy satan to stop all the pain and suffering and deception of mankind.

To say evil is apart from God is to suggest that God is simply not in control.. in my opinion.

Andy

 

[Nithavela]

Really? All those millions of children dying of hunger and thirst and preventable diseases and cancer and his answers his "well, sometimes people are jerks, that's the price of free will"?

This handwaving is such a lame excuse.

 

[Moral Orel]

A world of free will is imperfect.

Then is Heaven imperfect, or does it lack free will?

 

[Nithavela]

Then is Heaven imperfect, or does it lack free will?

The reasoning of many christians will be that there will still be free will, mankind will just have no inclination to use it because of its renewed connection to god.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Why did you stand and watch while a girl was raped?

Because I didn't feel like getting involved, I had nothing to do with it.

Fair enough... you vile piece of crap.

I've thought about what I would do in such a case. I would report it to the police. If I did take action I would have to knock the rapist senseless with some object, as I'm too old the engage in fisticuffs or other heroics.