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I wasn't joking. Whenever I have a problem or crisis in my life the first thing I do is pray. Your post however was sarcastic with a hint of mockery.

If I thought the police wouldn't arrive in time I would pray for God's protection, then I would try to disable the rapist using any means available.

Why would you rely on the police when you can just pray? It's an honest question with no mockery what so ever.
 
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Why would you rely on the police when you can just pray? It's an honest question with no mockery what so ever.

When one prays to God for help usually that very person is most likely the agent God will use to solve their own problem. True example. I have been lost in the woods a couple of times, and have downed deer at dusk several times. In each case I prayed to God for help. I didn't pray for someone to come and find me, or find my deer for me. I prayed that God would guide me. He did both times (once I prayed and started walking in the direct opposite direction that my intuition said I should go. After just a few hundred yards I walked right up to my car. Same with the deer. I found them all before dark, and gave God the credit.

Regarding the police; they are God's agents, so why not use them.

Romans 13:

1 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he (law enforcement) is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
 
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When one prays to God for help usually that very person is most likely the agent God will use to solve their own problem. True example. I have been lost in the woods a couple of times, and have downed deer at dusk several times. In each case I prayed to God for help. I didn't pray for someone to come and find me, or find my deer for me. I prayed that God would guide me. He did both times (once I prayed and started walking in the direct opposite direction that my intuition said I should go. After just a few hundred yards I walked right up to my car. Same with the deer. I found them all before dark, and gave God the credit.

Regarding the police; they are God's agents, so why not use them.

Romans 13:

1 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he (law enforcement) is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

But why would you show an additional faith towards another person, if you can just pray? My question to you is, why wouldn't you pray instead? Your reply was that you would pray that the cops come fast. Try to think of that reply. What i read there is that you don't really believe that god is going to do anything, you need actually need a cop. You are just making excuses and uses various bible talk to blanket it.
 
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A God who doesn't allow us to choose as we please would be doing exactly what you're condemning others of doing. A person who murders or rapes a victim, is not allowing the victim to choose as they please.

God is love, we'll learn from our mistakes and God will be there to forgive and welcome us in.

I said "1) He perhaps could only intervene in in violations of people (ie: murder, rape, assault) "
 
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