What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

[Dave Ellis]

It's simple. The divine inspiration has brought the people better lives.

Can you demonstrate that?

 

[Dave Ellis]

So, atheism is still about materialism, then?

No, you asked if I will only accept material evidence.

I'm not sure what other evidence exists, however if you have an acceptable example my mind is open. So, what are you referring to?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Very weak statement and its a historically false statements, please try and correct it. Study history.

Actually, Hitler was a self professed Catholic...

You are aware atheists and freethinkers were also rounded up and put into concentration camps as well, were you not?

 

[Wolfe]

Fun fact, Hitler—who was most definitely a dictator_was actually Catholic. I haven't really heard of an "atheist dictator".

Fun fact.

Hitler used religion to manipulate his people.
Nothing more.
I can't really say whether or not he was an Atheist, but he was surely not Christian.
He saw it as a powerful weapon, and he used it.

Also, Stalin was an Atheist, and Pol Pot was sort of an Atheist. He was a buddhist, which is typically an Atheistic religion, but there are certain varieties that worship gods or spirits.
Which I'm fairly certain he was just your average, everyday buddhist.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Fun fact.

Hitler used religion to manipulate his people.
Nothing more.
I can't really say whether or not he was an Atheist, but he was surely not Christian.
He saw it as a powerful weapon, and he used it.

Also, Stalin was an Atheist, and Pol Pot was sort of an Atheist. He was a buddhist, which is typically an Atheistic religion, but there are certain varieties that worship gods or spirits.
Which I'm fairly certain he was just your average, everyday buddhist.

Hitler did consider himself Christian though, but thanks for the clarification on those other dictators, learn something new every day.

 

[Strathos]

Fun fact.

Hitler used religion to manipulate his people.
Nothing more.
I can't really say whether or not he was an Atheist, but he was surely not Christian.
He saw it as a powerful weapon, and he used it.

Also, Stalin was an Atheist, and Pol Pot was sort of an Atheist. He was a buddhist, which is typically an Atheistic religion, but there are certain varieties that worship gods or spirits.
Which I'm fairly certain he was just your average, everyday buddhist.

I hate these kinds of arguments. It doesn't matter what religious belief a dictator had, because the belief didn't make them into an evil person, that's just the way they were.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Fun fact.

Hitler used religion to manipulate his people.
Nothing more.
I can't really say whether or not he was an Atheist, but he was surely not Christian.
He saw it as a powerful weapon, and he used it.

Also, Stalin was an Atheist, and Pol Pot was sort of an Atheist. He was a buddhist, which is typically an Atheistic religion, but there are certain varieties that worship gods or spirits.
Which I'm fairly certain he was just your average, everyday buddhist.

Hitler consistently maintained his Catholic beliefs both in public and private throughout most of his life, however in his last couple years his views turned more into a weird nazi christian hybrid religion.

Regardless, even if you deny that Hitler was a Catholic, it's absolutely indisputable that the vast majority of Germans, including most Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s were Christian. Their christian views did not prevent them from carrying out those horrific crimes.

 

[just a believing guy]

No, you asked if I will only accept material evidence.

I'm not sure what other evidence exists, however if you have an acceptable example my mind is open. So, what are you referring to?

After death experiences.

 

[just a believing guy]

Can you demonstrate that?

Where is German technology centred?

 

[Larniavc]

Now, can you speak for all agnostics?

In this case yes.

That is what agnostic means. It's like I can speak for all Man United fans when I say they like Man United.

Have you seen my Antiatheist Thread?

 

[Larniavc]

Atheism is a cognitive dissonance disorder. It can't be reasoned with because it does not have the vocabulary needed to understand matters pertaining to the spirit.

Cognitive dissonance.....

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is consequence of a person's performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values.

How to catch an Athiest at his or her own lie?

The lie is the contradiction, as Jesus said you will know them by their works.

We notice that Athiests provide sensational claims that...

God doesn't exist.

Yet if we confront atheists on grounds of human ethics and morality, they have absolutely no real and tangible answer to the question. In fact when confronting an Athiest on the issues of ethics and morality, they simply answer that these are unknown qualities of humanity that they have no answers for.

If we look at human history, we witness ethics and morality being applied consistently and not randomly as some sort of phenomena as the athiests claim. In fact this forms part of their cognitive dissonance that they are so confident that God being outside of the scope of human metaphysical understanding doesn't exist, yet the ethics and morality exhibited by humans throughout history are an unknown phenomena.

Look at the definition of cognitive dissonance and you will see how they exhibit a mental discomfort when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values. they in turn resort to simultaneously holding two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values.

IN THIS REGARD THE STATEMENT BELOW UNDERPINS WHAT ATHIEISM IS.....

Athieism in its totality is a FRAUD.

Yey.

Another claim that atheists are liars.

 

[Larniavc]

The Athiest doesn't understand an Athiest, let alone Athieism

Wow, such hubris.

 

[just a believing guy]

In this case yes.

That is what agnostic means. It's like I can speak for all Man United fans when I say they like Man United.

Have you seen my Antiatheist Thread?

Some of them cannot decide if they should support Man City instead.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Lacking belief is not what Athiesm is by definition.

Atheism by definition is.....

In the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Athiests claim that God does not exist. If it was a mere lacking of belief, then the historical psychology of humanity shows that humans are built in a way to look up to a deity figure. So that a lacking belief system will result in belief over time as humans look for answers beyond the metaphysical.

True Atheism is flat out rejection of external deity figure.

Athiests don't lack the belief of an external deity, they oppose the notion and as a result they deify themselves as the harbingers of their subjective ethics and morals dogma, that they identify as an unknown phenomenona.

Essentially Athiesism has many gods in the making who have no absolute ethics and morals dogma, rather they see themselves as seekers travelling into the oblivion of the unknown.

Imagine a fairy tale of up and coming gods many, who don't even know themselves, which is why so many Atheists end up with more unanswered questions than answers, which results in emptiness and this is not me saying it but many Atheists on their last dying breathes who admit their futile and without purpose lives. How could Atheism extrapolate absolute truths when it comes to ethics and morals, when they have no confidence in themselves, that is they are lacking a role model, an authoritative fatherly figure who gives them those absolutes that they long for.

Lenin tried to take on that fatherly figure, but true Atheism at its core sabotaged his efforts. They preserve Lenin's body as a last desperate measure to look up to the father of Atheism. The case of the dead mans religion that Atheism has been revealed to be, nothing more than an ideology to obtain what is not obtainable.

Marxist-Leninist scientific atheism could not stand and was replaced by.....the liberation theology movements in Latin America among others, Marxist–Leninist atheism was rejected entirely.

So we have an ideology that is in conflict at its core and one that has no head. Like a headless chicken Atheism has kicked and kicked giving a sense that there is something tangible and real, but all it has been revealed to be is an ideology manufactured by man for the defecation of man and the path to oblivion.

Maybe you should leave it upto atheists to decide what they do and don't believe, instead of trying to tell them.

 

[quatona]

The Athiest doesn't understand an Athiest, let alone Athieism.

...but now fortunately we have you to explain to us what our positions are.

 

[Freodin]

Yes, but they would contest that definition.

Would they?

I admit that I often have problems with these finicky little phisophical distinctions between "not having a belief" and "having a belief that not" and all that.

But in the simplistic way that I see it, all you have to do is ask a person "Do you believe in deities?"... and if the answer is "no.", point out that this then is the only existing general definition of "atheist": "a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods" (M-W)

Of course there are those who don't like to use this term, or "contest" it, because the theists have sucessfully managed to connect their system with "goodness". "Godless" is a synonym for "evil", and "atheist" is defined as "God-hating, baby-eating follower of Satan".

Which is of course nonsense.

In my opinion we already have a word for what New Atheists desire as the definition of atheism: agnosticism.

Merriam-Webster gives both definitions:

Atheist -

a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism​

Agnostic -

a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god​

Then follows an editor's note describing the precise difference:

Many people are interested in distinguishing between the words agnostic and atheist. The difference is quite simple: atheist refers to someone who believes that there is no god (or gods), and agnostic refers to someone who doesn’t know whether there is a god, or even if such a thing is knowable. This distinction can be troublesome to remember, but examining the origins of the two words can help...​

Which is, as I see it, a perfect backing for my position. I am both an atheist and an agnostic under these definitions. That I prefer to use the term "atheist" for myself in this regard simply expresses the focus of my... conversations.

So I really do not understand what you are arguing here.

 

[just a believing guy]

Of course there are those who don't like to use this term, or "contest" it, because the theists have sucessfully managed to connect their system with "goodness".

Christian theists have not ''successfully managed to connect'' anything; a highest appreciation of goodness is simply what Christianity is all about.

 

[just a believing guy]

Hitler consistently maintained his Catholic beliefs both in public and private throughout most of his life, however in his last couple years his views turned more into a weird nazi christian hybrid religion.

Regardless, even if you deny that Hitler was a Catholic, it's absolutely indisputable that the vast majority of Germans, including most Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s were Christian. Their christian views did not prevent them from carrying out those horrific crimes.

Also, let's not forget that there was / is a vast population of Germans who have common ancestry with the Jews, yet they were nazis.

Also, let's say that I wouldn't know how regularly they were visiting the churches in the time '30s and the '40s.

 

[Wolfe]

Regardless, even if you deny that Hitler was a Catholic, it's absolutely indisputable that the vast majority of Germans, including most Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s were Christian. Their christian views did not prevent them from carrying out those horrific crimes.

You can call yourself whatever you want.

If I say I'm a good person, but constantly break the law, and cause harm, does that make me a good person because I call myself a good person?

In other words, if you profess to believe in something, then do the exact opposite of what that something teaches you to do, then you don't really believe in it do you?
Belief meaning that you believe in the cause, not so much so that you believe it's real.

Though it's a good example of the beliefs do not determine the heart of the person.
You can say what you want about the Lord changing hearts and whatever, and I believe it for some people, some do legitimately change, I did.
But I have met a good amount of nasty Christians, rather I have met a lot of nasty people.
Of all religions, Atheist included.

So we can just agree that we all suck.

 

[The Times]

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