Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?

[Acts2:38]

How does it square with you that the Vatican (and its observatory which played an important hand in its development) and numerous Christian scientists support the Big Bang Theory? Keeping in mind that these are very intelligent Christians who have taken a HARD look at the evidence as it was presented.

Atheism IS a faith. But evolution is not. The modus for the creation of the world is ALSO not a faith. Equating atheism with evolution/BBT is inappropriate and is done simply because there is an idea that atheists all believe in evolution, therefore, they are the same. They are not. Atheists also support plate techtonics; and Christians support plate techtonics. Equating a faith with a scientific theory, is misguided.

The problem with evolution, which Atheist more likely than not agree with (faith that it is true), is that it attempts to discredit the bible specifically Genesis 1 for example.

The "vatican" and "other christians" who "profess to be wise" over look 3 important notes in Genesis. And before you say anything about majority must be right, might I place here Matthew 7:13-14 and Matthew 7:21-23. Not saying you will say majority, but just in case.

Yowm = Hebrew word for day. I do agree, that with the right application it can mean a period of time or and age. However, that is not the case in Genesis 1.

Every time the word yowm is mentioned in Genesis 1, it adds the words "evening and morning". So, for example Gen.1:5 "...the evening and the morning...first day". Basically a 24 hour day.

Evolution supports the earth as a million, er wait, now its billions of years old. This is false. It didn't take God ages to build the earth or create man. The main author of the bible is God, who through man, had the bible written out. (if you wish for verses just ask)

So I would rather chose to believe God over man when it comes to the creation of earth and everything in it. You can choose what you wish but with the information I have provided you, you can no longer claim ignorance.

I would say science and the bible can go hand in hand. After all, God created the elements right? God made all right? He's the best scientist you will ever know.

I suppose you are right that evolution theory itself is not a faith now that I think of it. It is absolute corrupted, deceiving science, with a lack of trust in what God tells us, and an attempt to discredit God and His word.

This is an inaccurate statement; not least of which because science has no goal in proving the bible as correct. Science has proven a lot of things in the Bible as incorrect as well. The problem with your mindset is that it sets up a battle between science vs religion

Science, honest science, has not proven the bible wrong at all. What is your evidence for this? Actually, don't bother, I know for a fact the bible is correct 100% and I would rather you not confuse christians on "milk" and not "meat".

It is not an inaccurate statement I made, as you would HOPE to believe. What is your body made out of? All the elements dirt is made up of dipped in water so to speak. God made man out of dirt. Our body's have the same elements as dirt. There's a little science for you. Who made the elements? God right? There's a little science for you. Look at your DNA. Amazing isn't it? Honest science, uncorrupted science, the bible is right, man is wrong. Evolution is false.

 

[Steve Petersen]

So all your relationships with unbelievers are built around ulterior motives (namely getting them 'saved?)

 

[Acts2:38]

So all your relationships with unbelievers are built around ulterior motives (namely getting them 'saved?)

If you study the bible, our whole purpose of life is to obey the gospel, worshiping God, obtaining our salvation, and preaching to others to help them on their path to obtaining salvation. Matthew 28:18-20 for example. There's no ulterior motive about it. In fact, I would say it is down right love (agape) for his fellow man, neighbors and all alike.

 

[rambot]

The problem with evolution, which Atheist more likely than not agree with (faith that it is true), is that it attempts to discredit the bible specifically Genesis 1 for example.

Catagorically false. It discredits your understanding of Genesis 1.

The "vatican" and "other christians" who "profess to be wise" over look 3 important notes in Genesis.

Attempting to discredit the Vatican and many scientific Christians who disagree with you by putting them into quotation marks really undermines your point. It looks petty and I would have hoped you'd have something more respectful to say about your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Yowm = Hebrew word for day. I do agree, that with the right application it can mean a period of time or and age. However, that is not the case in Genesis 1.

Every time the word yowm is mentioned in Genesis 1, it adds the words "evening and morning". So, for example Gen.1:5 "...the evening and the morning...first day". Basically a 24 hour day.

in 2017, there was evening and morning. They existed. Moot point; weak argument

Evolution supports the earth as a million, er wait, now its billions of years old. This is false.

Well [wipes hands on each other] I guess that's it then. Oh no wait. Reems of evidence to the contrary.
So, if there is reems of evidence to the contrary, why would God lie to us throughout creation? In fact, why would God CONTINUALLY be lying to us by having light from the far reaches of the universe BILLIONS of light years away, hitting us just now? Why would he mislead us like that?

I would say science and the bible can go hand in hand. After all, God created the elements right? God made all right? He's the best scientist you will ever know.

No you would not say that. You would not say that at all. You would say "the science I like can go hand in hand with the Bible". But sadly, that is not how science works.

I suppose you are right that evolution theory itself is not a faith now that I think of it. It is absolute corrupted, deceiving science, with a lack of trust in what God tells us, and an attempt to discredit God and His word.

Myself and many people who are smarter than us, who are close to God and have studied the evidence disagree. Have you ever read what Christian Evolution scientists have to say on the matter?

Science, honest science, has not proven the bible wrong at all. What is your evidence for this? Actually, don't bother, I know for a fact the bible is correct 100% and I would rather you not confuse christians on "milk" and not "meat".

I worry about you, my brother (or sister). I worry that at some point, you will be in a position where you will be confronted with this in a meaningful way and it will shake you in frightenning way. The problem with thinking that if you believe ANYTHING is 100% right and there is ONE thing that you can't deny, your house of cards comes down. And while you are currently in a position where you CAN separate the "milk" from the "meat" it's not a good idea to equate the veracity of the milk AND the meat. Because the MEAT of the gospel cannot be doubted, but the milk of the Bible, has not always been shown to be without contention.

It is not an inaccurate statement I made, as you would HOPE to believe. What is your body made out of? All the elements dirt is made up of dipped in water so to speak. God made man out of dirt. Our body's have the same elements as dirt. There's a little science for you.

Sir/Madam, that is, in NO way science. Those statements are BARELY even facts. But I would love to read where you heard about how "all the elements dirty is made up of dipped in water". I mean, our bodies have the same elements as rabbits, conifer trees, and rotifers.

Who made the elements? God right? There's a little science for you. Look at your DNA. Amazing isn't it? Honest science, uncorrupted science, the bible is right, man is wrong. Evolution is false.

Science is not the blurting of facts about the natural world. Science is ACTUALLY about how you FIND out facts.
DNA is AMAZING. The mountains are AMAZING. The human physical design is AMAZING. There are untold astounding things in nature. BUT "amazing" does not constitute scientific proof that God created things. For me, in constitutes spiritual proof of God's involvement of creation but, we don't know the mechanisms that God chose to use to create this earth and it is these mechanisms that would leave evidence.

 

[Tetra]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

I'd say I believe in evolution too, and not try and persuade you otherwise.

If I were you though, I'd look into the various arguments for the existence of God.

 

[Blade]

He Bee.. its not a cop-out.. but.. one has to be lead by the sweet sweet Holy Spirit. We do infact spread His word.. but one must be prayed up always. Praying always..and in for all things. Most of US do not. So when we share WE lead WE are doing it. GOD/Yeshua/Holy Spirit ARE REAL!

So as we get prayed up.. as HE leads.. we find HE shows us.. tells us..YES HE TALKS.. on what to say.. see only HE can read the heart. HE knows what is needed.

so.. I would picture you.. then Him.. and let Him tell me. Somes times ...just saying HI Brian! And just talking.... on and on. Its not MY truth.. or my way.. or life.. its HIS.

 

[Acts2:38]

Catagorically false. It discredits your understanding of Genesis 1.

Stating an opinion when you lack evidence.

Attempting to discredit the Vatican and many scientific Christians who disagree with you by putting them into quotation marks really undermines your point. It looks petty and I would have hoped you'd have something more respectful to say about your brothers and sisters in Christ.

When I use the quotes, it was because you mentioned those people. I merely used what you said. Also, I quoted a verse from the bible even though I didn't paste it on here (professing to be wise part). Another point to make is the bible tells me to correct people when they are wrong and give a defense of the bible. There is no disrespect.

in 2017, there was evening and morning. They existed. Moot point; weak argument

Again, your opinion is not back with any evidence. However, you just proved my statement more than hurt it. Evening...morning... first day. One 24 hour period. Not millions of years.

Well [wipes hands on each other] I guess that's it then. Oh no wait. Reems of evidence to the contrary.
So, if there is reems of evidence to the contrary, why would God lie to us throughout creation? In fact, why would God CONTINUALLY be lying to us by having light from the far reaches of the universe BILLIONS of light years away, hitting us just now? Why would he mislead us like that?

This is easy to refute. God is all powerful. It is not beyond Him to have the light start out instantly from creation and continue to even this day now. Why do you take power away from Him?

No you would not say that. You would not say that at all. You would say "the science I like can go hand in hand with the Bible". But sadly, that is not how science works.

You are putting words in my mouth. Honest science does not prove the bible wrong one iota.

Myself and many people who are smarter than us, who are close to God and have studied the evidence disagree. Have you ever read what Christian Evolution scientists have to say on the matter?

It does not matter what they say since they can't get passed those key words in Gen.1. Evening...morning...first day. 2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Therefore, God is telling us this. You are the one, along with all the smarter people, who are calling God a liar. Not me, I am just pulling scripture with this here in which you are saying is false.

I worry about you, my brother (or sister). I worry that at some point, you will be in a position where you will be confronted with this in a meaningful way and it will shake you in frightenning way. The problem with thinking that if you believe ANYTHING is 100% right and there is ONE thing that you can't deny, your house of cards comes down. And while you are currently in a position where you CAN separate the "milk" from the "meat" it's not a good idea to equate the veracity of the milk AND the meat. Because the MEAT of the gospel cannot be doubted, but the milk of the Bible, has not always been shown to be without contention.

I am quite confident in the bible. I believe God's word to be absolute 100% truth.

Just to let you know, the gospel IS the bible. The bible IS the gospel. You can also call it God's word. So your last sentence is way out there or I am just missing something here.

BUT "amazing" does not constitute scientific proof that God created things. For me, in constitutes spiritual proof of God's involvement of creation but, we don't know the mechanisms that God chose to use to create this earth and it is these mechanisms that would leave evidence.

1)"BUT "amazing" does not constitute scientific proof that God created things."

Then what does this say Colossians 1:16-17; John 1:3? Remember, 2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17. This is God saying this my friend through human writers.

2)For me, in constitutes spiritual proof of God's involvement of creation but, we don't know the mechanisms that God chose to use to create this earth and it is these mechanisms that would leave evidence.

Look at Genesis 1. That tells you all that.

The problem I am going to assume you have, is that you disbelieve some parts of the bible aka gospel aka God's word. If thats the case, then you need not "worry" about me my friend, but yourself.

 

[MostRadicalManEver]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

The wisdom of men doesn't convert people. But the power of God does.

I don't argue, i pray.

1Cor 2:4; And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:1Cor 2:5; That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. (1Cor 2:4-5, KJV)

 

[qpmomma13]

You trolled an atheist forum and are wondering why it didn't work?

 

[kishankt]

It is miracle so many turned to Christ in spite of his hard teachings. Don't worry about converting. There is no such thing as conversion. It is about transformation.. becoming human.. that's all!,

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

 

[parousia70]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?

I'd give you this Book:
The destruction of Jerusalem, an absolute and irresistible proof of the divine origin of Christianity: including a narrative of the calamities which befell the Jews, so far as they tend to verify Our Lord's predictions relative to that event. With a brief description of the city and temple : Holford, George, 1768-1839 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[Lord'sWarrior]

You preach the Gospel as you are able to. It's God who calls out His own.

 

[CrystalDragon]

I'd give you this Book:
The destruction of Jerusalem, an absolute and irresistible proof of the divine origin of Christianity: including a narrative of the calamities which befell the Jews, so far as they tend to verify Our Lord's predictions relative to that event. With a brief description of the city and temple : Holford, George, 1768-1839 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

I wonder though—have you showed that book to any Jewish people you know?

 

[David_AB]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

I think the worst place you could go would be an atheist forum. They'll just egg each other on and even wavering ones will be emboldened.
One to one yes but often living by example is the way to get people's attention not arguing with them.

 

[Buggins]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

You can't convert anyone. All you can do is share your own journey to faith and be as clued up on all the big issues as you can. That's how everything came about, how life started, diversity, morality, the nature of God. Most especially I think is to quote the Scriptures where it says all of us will give an account of ourselves before our Maker.
Prepare to be laughed at, scorned, and have your beliefs attacked...

 

[Vi]

Well... The same way anyone is reached: share the Word / Gospel, then let the HS do His work.

Plant the seed, along with others in the life of this operson. Don't get fooled into believing you have power. Don't bother trying to use reason and logic ... It is nonsense to them. Silly thing to get yourself pulled into.

 

[Nick714]

Pretend I'm an atheist. How would you convert me?



The title says it all.

I went to an atheist forum to preach about God and failed miserably. I don't know if they were closed-minded or I was just too much of an idiot to persuade someone of anything. Either way, I want to be someone who is good at debating on the side of my God.

So how would you approach such a situation? What would you tell me to convince me out of my atheism?

Let's say, for example, that I believe in evolution instead of creationism. What would you tell me? (That's just one example of many. Don't focus on it, please.)

i highly recomend the book "i dont have enough faith to be an atheist"

for your quesion he might say something like... science is still unable to prove evolution so it takes faith to beleive in that as much as it does to beleive in god and although there are things both of us will never know. there comes to a tiping point where it requires less faith to beleive in God than it does not too. for example there is alot of suported research in the big bang. its theory is that time space and mater where all created at the same time out of nothing. what takes more faith to beleive. that someone created something out of nothing (like a painter and a painting) or no one created something out of nothing? etc

but you also need to keep in mind that emotions can block people from excepting the truth because of a past trama or other emotional wounds. aswell as family ties friends and other relationships and the beleifes that they might have. sometimes they just need your kindness and a listening ear to overcome it before they can listen to the truth.

the best evangelism is with love

 

[PottersHands]

I would get to know you and eventually you would think of me as your friend, hopefully. (This is what I do now). I'm not going to throw my pearls before swine but you will eventually know that I have these pearls. You may wonder about these pearls and want to "see" them. You may want to "hear" about these pearls. This may take a very long time, like 10 years or more. But through all that you will know that I'm your friend.

 

[ATurtle]

Sorry, I haven't got the strength to read through all 7 pages, so forgive me if this has been said before.

My method is to ask them if they are aware of the "Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy". This states that matter can neither be created or destroyed, it has to come from somewhere and go somewhere even if into energy as heat or light. That agreed, then the next agreement must be that the Big Bang started the universe.

But where did the energy for the Big Bang come from, this is where faith comes in. If they come back with the book of Genesis is wrong, then reply with Rogers & Hammerstein "The Bible was written by men of faith, not men of science" (The King & I)

 

[CrystalDragon]

Sorry, I haven't got the strength to read through all 7 pages, so forgive me if this has been said before.

My method is to ask them if they are aware of the "Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy". This states that matter can neither be created or destroyed, it has to come from somewhere and go somewhere even if into energy as heat or light. That agreed, then the next agreement must be that the Big Bang started the universe.

But where did the energy for the Big Bang come from, this is where faith comes in. If they come back with the book of Genesis is wrong, then reply with Rogers & Hammerstein "The Bible was written by men of faith, not men of science" (The King & I)

They might then bring up the point "who created God"/"where did God come from"> Which I honestly wonder sometimes too.