What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

[Belk]

Not understanding atheism does not exclude the possibility to appeal to popularity.

Yes. You already demonstrated that.

 

[just a believing guy]

Yes. You already demonstrated that.

What is your explanation for the popularity of the Bible?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Not going to answer to pointless demands when I was already very clear. Pretend you're winner if you like, and if that's your idea of fun...well...

It's a pointless demand to ask you to point out specifically which fallacy I've committed after you accused me of committing a fallacy?

That's not at all an unreasonable request, and one you seem awful reluctant to address.

I did not commit a fallacy, if you still think I did then back up your words or concede the point.

Attempting to dodge as you currently are doing is simple intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Belk]

What is your explanation for the popularity of the Bible?

A lot of Christians feel it necessary to own a bibles since they believe it to be the word of God.

 

[just a believing guy]

A lot of Christians feel it necessary to own a bibles since they believe it to be the word of God.

How high do you regard culture? Haven't you heard that the first book that was ever printed was the Bible? Do you think people neglect that fact?

 

[Dave Ellis]

I see evidence to the contrary. I would never go to a site to argue the existence of Enki, and I seriously doubt most if any atheists would, yet here you are. I've seen for myself what atheists argue against, and I don't recall them once opposing any other than the Christian/Biblical God. Point being, you DO take this God seriously.

I've argued against a variety of gods. Allah, Vishnu, the deistic god, the gods of Norse sagas, Greece, etc. Sometimes against followers of Islam or Hinduism, Deists, or Zeus, Apollo, Thor, etc come up in arguments with Christians

In my case I spend a lot more time arguing with Christians because they make up a majority of the population and their religion has the greatest impact on the society that I live in. I don't take their God any more seriously than I do Zeus (which is why I use Zeus as a comparison in certain arguments), it's just that Christianity poses the greatest immediate threat to my society out of the major religions.

Sure, reasons will be made up why you are here, or why you don't take him seriously, but the signs are all there, so that will always be my take, regardless the claims.

Do you not understand the difference between arguing against a concept and arguing against something you actually believe exists?

You believe god exists, I don't. I am arguing against a concept where you believe you're defending something that really exists.

 

[Belk]

How high do you regard culture? Haven't you heard that the first book that was ever printed was the Bible?

I have heard that but it is incorrect.

Jikji - Wikipedia

Do you think people neglect that fact?

Why do you think it is important?

 

[just a believing guy]

I've argued against a variety of gods. Allah, Vishnu, the deistic god, the gods of Norse sagas, Greece, etc. Sometimes against followers of Islam or Hinduism, Deists, or Zeus, Apollo, Thor, etc come up in arguments with Christians

In my case I spend a lot more time arguing with Christians because they make up a majority of the population and their religion has the greatest impact on the society that I live in. I don't take their God any more seriously than I do Zeus (which is why I use Zeus as a comparison in certain arguments), it's just that Christianity poses the greatest immediate threat to my society out of the major religions.



Do you not understand the difference between arguing against a concept and arguing against something you actually believe exists?

You believe god exists, I don't. I am arguing against a concept where you believe you're defending something that really exists.

What kind of danger would Christianity pose?

But God does exist. How elde would you explain the foundation of the Red Cross society?

 

[just a believing guy]

What was the first book written?

We're talking about the Bible now, please don't switch the subject...

And just to humor you, the first religious text written down were probaably the Hindu vedas, yet no printing machine in India. Why do you think this was so?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Atheism is an excuse to do what you want without fear of Hell, to be homosexual, to persecute Christians, to usher in Satan's Kingdom, to insult Jesus, to be stupid, to be unregenerated, to destroy America.

Just off the top of my head on the various forums I have engaged with.

Oddly enough I'm an atheist, yet I'm not homosexual, I don't persecute Christians, I haven't done anything I'm aware of to usher in Satan's kingdom (especially considering I don't believe Satan exists either), I have criticized Jesus but I'm not sure if I've ever insulted him, and I haven't destroyed America.

So if that's the point of atheism, I apparently missed the memo.

Lastly, if god and hell are actually real, I don't see how acting as if they weren't would cause you to avoid hell or live without fear of going there.

If you know for sure those things are real, basic logic would dictate that you should be really careful wherever possible to avoid going there. Blantantly disregarding reality would be foolish.

Luckily, I have no reason to believe either god or hell is actually real.

 

[just a believing guy]

Lastly, if god and hell are actually real, I don't see how acting as if they weren't would cause you to avoid hell or live without fear of going there.

If you know for sure those things are real, basic logic would dictate that you should be really careful wherever possible to avoid going there. Blantantly disregarding reality would be foolish.

Luckily, I have no reason to believe either god or hell is actually real.

To a Christian, there is the hope that they won't go to hell or that they will go to heaven though. And hope comes from reality.

 

[Dave Ellis]

How high do you regard culture? Haven't you heard that the first book that was ever printed was the Bible? Do you think people neglect that fact?

The fact the Gutenberg bible was the first widely produced book on the printing press doesn't lend any credibility to the book being true.

If the first mass produced book was Spiderman, would you be using the same argument?

 

[Belk]

We're talking about the Bible now, please don't switch the subject...

You mean the subject of the first book printed which you were incorrect about yet failed to acknowledge or quote? What about it?

And just to humor you, the first religious text written down were probaably the Hindu vedas, yet no printing machine in India. Why do you think this was so?

Actually it would be the tale of Gilgamesh, but you are close. So why is the first book being mass printed relevant but not the first book written?

 

[Dave Ellis]

What kind of danger would Christianity pose?

Much of the societal problems regarding women's rights, gay and trans rights, science denial among other things can be tied directly to fundamentalist Christians.

The only way to erode their power base even further is to fight against them and show them that they're wrong.

But God does exist. How elde would you explain the foundation of the Red Cross society?

The existence of the Red Cross society has no bearing on whether or not a god actually exists.

 

[just a believing guy]

The fact the Gutenberg bible was the first widely produced book on the printing press doesn't lend any credibility to the book being true.

If the first mass produced book was Spiderman, would you be using the same argument?

You are parodizing: how could Spiderman book be printed first.

The Bible was chosen to be printed ifrst because people lived by it and it was /is true to them. The mecenes of Gutenberg were prosperous businessmen who couldn't imagine their running of their businesses without the help they were getting from the Bible. That's how credible the book was / is.

 

[Dave Ellis]

To a Christian, there is the hope that they won't go to hell or that they will go to heaven though. And hope comes from reality.

To a non believer, we have no reason to stress about ideas like that, as they are not evidently true.

 

[just a believing guy]

Much of the societal problems regarding women's rights, gay and trans rights, science denial among other things can be tied directly to fundamentalist Christians.

The only way to erode their power base even further is to fight against them and show them that they're wrong.



The existence of the Red Cross society has no bearing on whether or not a god actually exists.

So you are a humanist. Which is fine. Why don't you criticize science too for a change then?

 

[just a believing guy]

To a non believer, we have no reason to stress about ideas like that, as they are not evidently true.

What would you call evidently true?

 

[just a believing guy]

You mean the subject of the first book printed which you were incorrect about yet failed to acknowledge or quote? What about it?



Actually it would be the tale of Gilgamesh, but you are close. So why is the first book being mass printed relevant but not the first book written?

Why was I incorrect about it?

Because the Bible was the book the wealthy busunessmen of Gutenbergs time lived by, they needed it to guide them, thus promoting the business environment of the time. And we know which region in Germany is most prosperous today: the region where Gutenberg was active.

 

[Dave Ellis]

You are parodizing: how could Spiderman book be printed first.

The Bible was chosen to be printed ifrst because people lived by it and it was /is true to them. The mecenes of Gutenberg were prosperous businessmen who couldn't imagine their running of their businesses without the help they were getting from the Bible. That's how credible the book was / is.

I'm not parodying you, I'm asking an honest question to point out the error in your argument.

You're saying the bible is credible because it was the first mass produced book.

However just because something is popular or mass produced has no bearing on its truth value. If Spider-Man was the first popular mass produced book, that doesn't make it any more credible or real. Same goes for the bible.

You're committing the appeal to popularity fallacy in this argument.