What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

[Kenny'sID]

The fact I could or could not convince you of my position would in no way justify my view in and of itself. That's an appeal to popularity fallacy. It doesn't matter how many people believe a claim, what matters are the facts.

As a whole, no change from my original view and the fallacy, at least overall, lies with your end. End of story.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I agree, God/Hell is still there regardless of pretending they are not.

"For fun"? I just don't believe it. Read the last I quoted from you for the rest of my reply to that.

 

[section9+1]

Jesus most certainly does not require us to like other people. We are supposed to love other people-not necessarily like. And I can feel plenty of empathy and friendship toward other Christians. You are the one who is alone. Desperately alone. I am a recipient of God's grace and a joint heir with the rest of his family. You are a recipient of his wrath. We cannot have any connection until you come looking for it.

 

[Dave Ellis]

As a whole, no change from my original view and the fallacy, at least overall, lies with your end. End of story.

What fallacy have I committed?

I agree, God/Hell is still there regardless of pretending they are not.

Can you demonstrate that?

"For fun"? I just don't believe it. Read the last I quoted from you for the rest of my reply to that.

I don't care if you believe it or not. I enjoy having a good debate, that's the simple truth of the matter.

What quote are you referring to?

 

[Freodin]

Jesus most certainly does not require us to like other people. We are supposed to love other people-not necessarily like.

As I said, you are interpreting it differently than many others. But these are all wrong, aren't they?

And I can feel plenty of empathy and friendship toward other Christians.

People who agree with you, because anyone else is an enemy of God, right? That will ultimately leave you with a group of Christians of... one. Yourself.

You are the one who is alone. Desperately alone.

Well, I am already nobody. So being a lonely nobody isn't any worse.

But considering the empathy and friendship that I feel towards other people... even including Christians!... I'd say that this statement is just another projection of your own worldview.

I am a recipient of God's grace and a joint heir with the rest of his family. You are a recipient of his wrath. We cannot have any connection until you come looking for it.

Wrath is not a sign of love. If that is the kind of love that you are meant to show, the kind of love that reflects your God... I would advise you to reconsider it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

What fallacy have I committed?

It's explained right there in my post.

Can you demonstrate that?

To someone who prefers not to believe it? I seriously doubt it.

I don't care if you believe it or not. I enjoy having a good debate, that's the simple truth of the matter.

Then you won't mind my saying it again...I don't believe it.

What quote are you referring to?

Again, you aren't paying attention, it's ll there in my post.

 

[Cearbhall]

It gives them what they love ----- darkness.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Jesus most certainly does not require us to like other people. We are supposed to love other people-not necessarily like. And I can feel plenty of empathy and friendship toward other Christians. You are the one who is alone. Desperately alone. I am a recipient of God's grace and a joint heir with the rest of his family. You are a recipient of his wrath. We cannot have any connection until you come looking for it.

Apparently not, in that it seems looking for it is not enough. It would be more correct as I understand your previous posts to say that we cannot have any connection until 'you have already found it'. It is interesting that a reading of two books in the Bible spoke enough to you to assume you are one of his heirs, and you no longer have any obligation to the rest of us, including those who were like you before you experienced this transformation. I'm curious, did God send you a spiritual experience when you read those books?

 

[section9+1]

My best friend up until he died last winter was not Christian. Liking is based upon the recipient. Love is based upon the giver. God wants all to belong to him. But if you don't, there's isn't anything left for you or to you. It is God's love that makes us all who we are because his love makes us free to choose. I can honor your choice. But all choices come with results. No one escapes that.
MG I know these others are but are you entirely unfamiliar with the bible?

 

[zippy2006]

I tell you I don´t.

If you don't consciously and intentionally hold your belief of atheism, then you aren't an atheist, regardless of what you think you are. Neither do you understand what atheism is. It's that simple.

But given your history it's more likely that you are engaged in some kind of contradiction contest, blindly denying anything I might say rather than constructively engaging content. Indeed you have failed to constructively engage anything whatsoever that I have said.

I could show you countless posts where atheists tell you that they don't.

I'll go ahead and call your bluff, anticipating the strawmen.

 

[Freodin]

My best friend up until he died last winter was not Christian.

I am sure he was very impressed being told that he was nothing and that his empathy was worthless.

Liking is based upon the recipient. Love is based upon the giver.

That makes no sense.

God wants all to belong to him. But if you don't, there's isn't anything left for you or to you. It is God's love that makes us all who we are because his love makes us free to choose. I can honor your choice. But all choices come with results. No one escapes that.

There is a difference between inevitable results and decreed outcomes. Wrath is not an inevitable result... and nor is it a part of love.

 

[Belk]

Any thoughts?

That your lack of understanding of what an atheist is results in you asking questions that are nonsensical. Further, you do not seem to care to gain understanding.

 

[section9+1]

Your opinions and understandings are just yours. You cannot expect me to consider them. You say nothing, understand nothing and you offer nothing. Why do you feel entitled to consideration?

 

[MehGuy]

Meh-
People arrive at meaning because there truly is meaning. Just not the way you are approaching it. People always make judgements because there truly are judgements to be made. Your stance is a contradiction. All you have is nihilism.

"Objective nihilism", maybe. Lol.

Like I said before, realistically the mind cannot cope being in a nihilist state for too long. We're hardwired to find meaning in things regardless.

I don't see how personal meaning is "fake". It's very much real to me and others, and helps us get on with our daily life and find some grounding.

Without an outside source of our morality, morality is only a product of ourselves and that can vary tremendously and have equal validity regardless of what it is. There is no authoritative meaning or truth simply within ourselves.

Yeah of course, people change views throughout life. Usually people drift towards security and cooperation. So a cultural sense of morality will largely reflect that. It doesn't have to be authoritative. Most are still going to reap the benefits of it regardless.

 

[Kenny'sID]

That your lack of understanding of what an atheist is results in you asking questions that are nonsensical. Further, you do not seem to care to gain understanding.

I care...make me understand what an Atheist is, and does your explanation cover all Atheists?

 

[bhsmte]

Your opinions and understandings are just yours. You cannot expect me to consider them. You say nothing, understand nothing and you offer nothing. Why do you feel entitled to consideration?

Major league; LOL

 

[Freodin]

I care...make me understand what an Atheist is, and does your explanation cover all Atheists?

An atheist is someone who does not believe in deities. That covers all those who do believe there are no deities, those who reject deities, those who do not have a belief in deities... find me any atheist who doesn't fall under this definition.

 

[Belk]

I care...make me understand what an Atheist is, and does your explanation cover all Atheists?

Yes. My explanation is the only thing that covers all atheists. All atheists lack belief in a deity. Beyond that there is nothing that you can conclude all atheists have in common.

 

[zippy2006]

Yes. My explanation is the only thing that covers all atheists. All atheists lack belief in a deity. Beyond that there is nothing that you can conclude all atheists have in common.

How about concluding that "All atheists believe there are insufficient reasons to believe in God." That's something else that all atheists have in common, and it actually excludes rocks, dogs, and infants, unlike your strange definition. Again:

But atheism isn't merely a non-belief or lack of belief, even for the so-called "agnostic atheist." Atheism is something that the atheist is willing to take a stand on, to argue for, to support, to expend energy on. They have a belief that God shouldn't be believed in, that God is not worthy of belief, that evidence for God is insufficient. It is something consciously and intentionally held. Therefore according to your own words it profits you.

 

[bhsmte]

How about concluding that "All atheists believe there are insufficient reasons to believe in God." That's something else that all atheists have in common, and it actually excludes rocks, dogs, and infants, unlike your strange definition. Again:

Correct. Just as you feel, there are insufficient reasons, to follow the faith of another God and or another religion.

 

[section9+1]

"The fool says in his heart there is no God." Since I am already committed to believing the bible, where does that take me?
"Do not answer a fool according to his folly." I have already bent the heck right out of that rule. But no more.