When did God, the Son, or Christ become "less than" the Father...? (John 10:29, John 14:28)...

[Quort]

Yes, but the Son did not have the form of a man for eternity.

That doesn't matter. The positions or place of the Father and Son were set in eternity.

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[tstor]

That doesn't matter. The positions or place of the Father and Son were set in eternity.

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It matters based on your response to the OP.

 

[Quort]

Cryptic, but, OK, I'll let you be, OK...?

I'm not here to argue but to discuss with those willing to discuss this, logically, reasonably...

Peace,

God Bless!

I believe I am being logical and reasonable.

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[Neogaia777]

Anything change when he became flesh...?

He himself says (I think) that he had lay aside or lay down his former glory that he had with the Father...? What's in this glory...?

God Bless!

I think to experience the process of becoming, of growing, ect...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I believe I am being logical and reasonable.

Quort

But, yet, your not open to even the possibility it seems...?

Peace,

God Bless!

 

[Quort]

Anything change when he became flesh...?

He himself says (I think) that he had lay aside or lay down his former glory that he had with the Father...? What's in this glory...?

God Bless!

What changed was the Son who was always eternally the Son, became a man. That didn't change the positions of the Father and the Son.

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[Neogaia777]

I believe I am being logical and reasonable.

Quort

Cryptic is nicer than "gobbledegook" or nonsense, so...?

God Bless!

 

[Dkh587]

I think in terms of rank, he's always been "less than". If you study the angel/Messenger of YAH in the Old Testament, you will see that the name(authority/power) of YAH was in Him..but the Son has always been in subjection to the Father, imo

 

[Quort]

It matters based on your response to the OP.

So. I responded to the OP. The positions of the Father and Son were set in eternity. Thus there is no 'becoming'.

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[Quort]

But, yet, your not open to even the possibility it seems...?

Peace,

God Bless!

I am open to learning. I am not open to error.

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[Quort]

Cryptic is nicer than "gobbledegook" or nonsense, so...?

God Bless!

So?

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[Neogaia777]

So?

Quort

I think it was at least a part of his being a man, you do not, so...?

What more do we have to discuss, again...?

God Bless!

 

[tstor]

So. I responded to the OP. The positions of the Father and Son were set in eternity. Thus there is no 'becoming'.

Quort

So you deny the that the role of the "Son" was assumed at the same time of the incarnation? While I have not developed my own view on this subject, I believe the text usually put against that position is Hebrews 1:5:

For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? (ESV)​

Though I believe it can most certainly be properly argued from Philippians 2:4-8 as well.

 

[Alithis]

When did God, the Son, or Christ become "less than" the Father...? (John 10:29, John 14:28)...

Peace,

God Bless!

A good question is why ask?

 

[Quort]

I think it was at least a part of his being a man, you do not, so...?

What more do we have to discuss, again...?

God Bless!

Well, it wasn't a part of His becoming a man. Thus, maybe there is more discussion.

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[Neogaia777]

A good question is why ask?

To know God, why else...? to relate, to get close... To understand, to comprehend... No one else is curious about this...? 3/4's of the way to being dead, if you ask me...?

God Bless!

 

[Quort]

So you deny the that the role of the "Son" was assumed at the same time of the incarnation? While I have not developed my own view on this subject, I believe the text usually put against that position is Hebrews 1:5:

For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? (ESV)​

Though I believe it can most certainly be properly argued from Philippians 2:4-8 as well.

That verse speaks to the resurrection. Not the incarnation. See (Acts 13:33).

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[Quort]

A good question is why ask?

My thinking exactly.

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[Alithis]

Man ma

To know God, why else...? to relate, to get close... To understand, to comprehend... No one else is curious about this...? 3/4's of the way to being dead, if you ask me...?

God Bless!

Man may share testimony..but in the end only God can reveal it.

Ask him first..
I no longer have any problem with the question.
i see it..but flesh and blood did not reveal it..

 

[tstor]

That verse speaks to the resurrection. Not the incarnation. See (Acts 13:33).

Quort

Fair enough, but does that not still contradict your position that the submission was eternal?