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Why seek "God"?
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Jesus, emptied Himself (kenosis), a veil that obscured his Godliness until the resurrection. Could we also say that the Budhha also attempts to create a veil that obscures his humanity through attaining sukkha, until death removes it? Can we ever really become something that we are not?
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Complete detachment is the main ingredient involved in achieving sukkha/parinibanna. This detachment includes attachments to the physical body.
Isn't your concern with death an expression of dukkha?
Kenosis is an attachment to (the idea of) "God", so yes, kenosis would be associated with dukkha.
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IMO it is meaningless in the grand scheme of things because such activity has been expressed countless times through countless centuries, and has not provided a permanent solution to dukkha.
Such love inevitably results in great attachments, and great sufferings when mother and child must detach and part ways, e.g. in death.
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What if you became a servant not to stop every bad thing, but to offer hope and help others through it? Do you know anyone that has been able to stop dukkha permanently, other than going into a trance and becoming only something to observe, which may result in creating pity?
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On the flip side, I've witnessed the greatest Love and Oneness imaginable between family and friends when death of the body arrived to a loved one. That's what I watch for.
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It's still Love, and is one of the things that makes us a more human, Human Being...There's that, as well as Compassion and Service to those in need. Love is never limited.
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Permanent resolution of dukkha involves wisdom and the dispelling of ignorance. The more wisdom we acquire, the more we understand that less (e.g. less activity, acquisitions, attachments, etc.) results in greater sukkha than more.
Trances, like jhana, offer temporary respite from dukkha. They are, however, useful in that such respites offer the mind a foundation from which higher wisdom may be acquired.
The ultimate help we can offer others is to demonstrate that sukkha in our own lives, inspiring others to seek and work out the same path for themselves.
Helping others through activity is a lesser grade of help, as it involves 1. adding (ultimately pointless) activity within samsara, which does not permanently (but only temporarily) resolves dukkha; and worse, 2. negative interference in another individual's kamma, which often prevents them from observing cause & effect in action, depriving them of a chance to gain additional wisdom which offers a permanent release from dukkha.
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Undoubtedly; I have as well.
I am merely pointing out that, ultimately, it resolves nothing in the grand scheme of samsara.
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Here we go again.
I know you pointed that out, but I still completely disagree. In the spiritual evolution of things, the energy of Love is not lost and can not be lost as it has a way of raising the Heart level consciousness in a person, which in turn is part of the process of awakening.
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