Mind-Blowing Facts

[blackribbon]

That is a good question though.. what is the supernatural? If it has a logic to it, how much different is it to the regular natural?

In the far future humans may be able to do things many would call supernatural now, yet it would still be natural. So idk.. lol.

Is there an objective reason to revere it?

I regularly hold babies that are at most, 2 hours old....and honestly, am in awe of God. No scientist can make even the simplest form of life...how on earth does two cells come together and turn into a complete human being in just a few weeks? I guess you can have your faith and I will have mine.

 

[MehGuy]

I think the biggest problem is "whether or not God exists" isn't a scientific question. God is outside the scope of science. Which does I think bring many problems when scientists try to write books about God when their opinion is as valid as any other person you speak to on the street. They are just laymans talking about God. I get they are experts in science but they aren't experts in God. So I wouldn't become an atheist based off of what a layman said about God. I would however be more persuaded by the many books we see written by former theologians who became atheists.

I guess I personally see no reason why he couldn't be inside the scope of science. It's just so far nothing has supernatural has come into fruition when it comes to the pursuit of science.

Again though, has anyone really properly defined what super natural is?

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

I regularly hold babies that are at most, 2 hours old....and honestly, am in awe of God. No scientist can make even the simplest form of life...how on earth does two cells come together and turn into a complete human being in just a few weeks? I guess you can have your faith and I will have mine.

I think scientists just produced a lamb artificially so its happening as we speak.

 

[MehGuy]

I regularly hold babies that are at most, 2 hours old....and honestly, am in awe of God. No scientist can make even the simplest form of life...how on earth does two cells come together and turn into a complete human being in just a few weeks? I guess you can have your faith and I will have mine.

You can at least understand my stance right?

I have no reason to believe in a God, why would I take the idea that God started life seriously? It's possible, but the probability is understandably low in my eyes.

 

[blackribbon]

So far there isn't one. Scientists are currently looking. Given there being no evidence thus far of God, I don't think looking for a supernatural explanation is the wisest use of time and resources though. Assuming such a thing would even be testable, and if not would be outside the scope of science.

Actually, why couldn't God be inside the scope of science, especially if God turns out to be the "on switch" of all life... Why is it okay to believe in forms of energy such as heat, light, nuclear, wind, and not be able to believe that God is also a potential form of energy? There are lots of considerations that were left out that turned out to be the real basis for our current scientific beliefs. Mind blowing concept, huh?

 

[blackribbon]

I think scientists just produced a lamb artificially so its happening as we speak.

Doubt it. From what? a tube of non-living chemicals?

 

[blackribbon]

You can at least understand my stance right?

I have no reason to believe in a God, why would I take the idea that God started life seriously? It's possible, but the probability is understandably low in my eyes.

I get that you believe this...I just find it mind blowing (the topic of this thread) that anyone can look at life and believe that there isn't a God.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Doubt it. From what? a tube of non-living chemicals?

Ok it was just an artificial womb for premature lamb nvm.

 

[MehGuy]

Actually, why couldn't God be inside the scope of science, especially if God turns out to be the "on switch" of all life... Why is it okay to believe in forms of energy such as heat, light, nuclear, wind, and not be able to believe that God is also a potential form of energy? There are lots of considerations that were left out that turned out to be the real basis for our current scientific beliefs. Mind blowing concept, huh?

That's what I said in another post. He could. Just that thus far, nothing "supernatural" has been found.

At this point there really isn't any reason to hold the idea of anything supernatural being part of the origin of life in any particularly high esteem. Believe it if you want, but you really have no good leads to build any sustainable working model.

Like I said, it's a waste of time and resources.

 

[MehGuy]

Ok it was just an artificial womb for premature lamb nvm.

But they're still using God's materials regardless.

Let's see scientists create matter out of nothing.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

.I just find it mind blowing (the topic of this thread) that anyone can look at life and believe that there isn't a God.

Thats kind of close minded don't you think? I can easily see how someone could end up not believing in God and never knowing God. For instance if you are born in an atheist family, know all the atheist sayings and arguments and reasonings, it's not very hard to see how a person born into this life would have a hard time believing in an actual God. If atheism is all you know and your life is pretty good you have no reason to search for God. Especially if you think people who believe in God aren't smart.

 

[MehGuy]

I get that you believe this...I just find it mind blowing (the topic of this thread) that anyone can look at life and believe that there isn't a God.

I agree, life is complex and amazing. Although I think the theory of evolution answers a lot of these questions. It's at least something one can grab onto. The idea of a supernatural being really has nothing to follow from, other than emotions like "this is waaaayy to complicated to come from nothing".

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

That's what I said in another post. He could.

I guess he could because hes God he can do whatever right? But how do you test something invisible and outside of time? Thats pretty much why science can't make a test for God.

 

[blackribbon]

Ok it was just an artificial womb for premature lamb nvm.

Super cool science...finding a way to help these little premature babies exist in an environment that allows them to continue to develop gently. I have looked at a 23 week newborn and watched her mother lovingly hold this micropreemie in her hands. The microscopic medical devices that were used to save this little soul's life are just as incredible.

 

[MehGuy]

I guess he could because hes God he can do whatever right? But how do you test something invisible and outside of time? Thats pretty much why science can't make a test for God.

Who knows what kind of tools man will create to test things in the future? Scientists have been getting better and better at testing things we cannot picked up with the senses man have thus far evolved to have.

 

[MehGuy]

Although I'll say if there is a supernatural being like the God in the Bible, it's up to him if he wants to be detected by science or not. If he chooses to remain hidden, he can't blame science for staying silent about him and directing their attention elsewhere.

 

[blackribbon]

I agree, life is complex and amazing. Although I think the theory of evolution answers a lot of these questions. It's at least something one can grab onto. The idea of a supernatural being really has nothing to follow from, other than emotions like "this is waaaayy to complicated to come from nothing".

Again, what is the basis of life coming from nothing in the theory of evolution? Give me one solid theory even.... And what is the first form of life because a bacteria is far to developed and complex to have been the first stage.

I find a bacteria to be a very mind-blowing creature...just in how complex a single cell creature can be

 

[MehGuy]

Again, what is the basis of life coming from nothing in the theory of evolution? Give me one solid theory even.... And what is the first form of life because a bacteria is far to developed and complex to have been the first stage.



I find a bacteria to be a very mind-blowing creature...just in how complex a single cell creature can be

Abiogenesis you mean? We don't know thus far. Evolution on the other hand has lots of evidence going for it.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Although I'll say if there is a supernatural being like the God in the Bible, it's up to him if he wants to be detected by science or not. If he chooses to remain hidden, he can't blame science for staying silent about him and directing their attention elsewhere.

You could say that not only about science but ask why doesn't he just come down here in physical form. Oh wait he did that with Jesus but people still didn't believe. Who knows maybe things are different now and if he Came down out of the clouds with thousands of angels, I think some atheists would just claim they are hallucinating like christopher hitchens said he would, and others might believe then I don't know. I just think the atheist world view or more so the naturalist world view makes it impossible to believe in God under any circumstance because by definition a naturalist can't believe in anything supernatural, so if he sees God coming out of the clouds, he will always look to explain it away naturally than just saying crap I was wrong there is a God let me hope he forgives me for my disbelief. There is no room for God period under the naturalists world view. God is impossible for anyone with such a view.

 

[MehGuy]

You could say that not only about science but ask why doesn't he just come down here in physical form. Oh wait he did that with Jesus but people still didn't believe. Who knows maybe things are different now and if he Came down out of the clouds with thousands of angels, I think some atheists would just claim they are hallucinating like christopher hitchens said he would, and others might believe then I don't know. I just think the atheist world view or more so the naturalist world view makes it impossible to believe in God under any circumstance because by definition a naturalist can't believe in anything supernatural, so if he sees God coming out of the clouds, he will always look to explain it away naturally than just saying crap I was wrong there is a God let me hope he forgives me for my disbelief. There is no room for God period under the naturalists world view. God is impossible for anyone with such a view.

If a God came down, I might think it was a hallucination. Would depend how long this experience lasted. In time I think people would warm up to the idea of it being real.