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I find it mind blowing that there were human beings no different than us roaming this earth 100 thousand years ago.

Yet for most people when they look back at the ancient romans about 2000 years ago, that almost seems like the beginning of time, yet we've been around much longer than that. Makes me fortunate that we live in a day and age where we are able to be self aware of this entire world and the universe.

It's also mind blowing that there have been an estimated 100 billion human beings in existence, yet today 7 billion are currently alive on this earth. Which would be around 7% of all human beings ever born are currently alive now.
 
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Pondering what the difference is when comparing a living person to a dead body...how someone can someone can be a living thinking person walking down the hall one minute and a listless sack of cells the next... where do the spirit or soul or personality of a person exist in the body and how does it make it function like that? Something changes when the soul leave a body...they no longer really look like themselves.
 
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It's also mind blowing that there have been an estimated 100 billion human beings in existence, yet today 7 billion are currently alive on this earth. Which would be around 7% of all human beings ever born are currently alive now.
Thanks Genghis Khan...
 
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I find it kind of mind blowing that although it is a staple, undisputed belief in science that life cannot come from something that never was living....yet still people find it easier to believe that the world originated from nothing than a living God....that "poof" something magical happened only once and suddenly a mess of chemicals started to breathe and develop into very complicated life systems. Even the simplest form of life, the bacteria is a very complex living organism.
 
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that dinosaurs and humans coexisted together until the great flood washed away all the wicked men and "animals"... Archeologists have claimed many dino bones were preserved from water and most are found where water was once present but could not be imagined in any other way, hence the speculation that the great flood washed them out. Think about it, God created the world and on the seventh day, placed Adam. Adam was here when dinos were. Man was likely for some time. The Garden of Eden is in Israel... Dino bones are heavily found in South America and other areas far from where man started.. If you believe in creation, you cannot believe earth has been here millions of years... Biblically, it's been less than 30,000 years
 
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I find it kind of mind blowing that although it is a staple, undisputed belief in science that life cannot come from something that never was living....yet still people find it easier to believe that the world originated from nothing than a living God....that "poof" something magical happened only once and suddenly a mess of chemicals started to breathe and develop into very complicated life systems. Even the simplest form of life, the bacteria is a very complex living organism.

Well I lack a belief in a God because of a lack of adequate evidence. So it seems more probable to me that life came from natural means rather than poofed into existence from some ever greater complex being.
 
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What I find most fascinating about history is that the smallest of acts can change the course of history.

In 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by Gavrilo Princip. This was credited as igniting World War I in an already tense Europe with alliances being put to the test. The war ended up killing up to sixteen million people and created a new Europe with three former empires losing land. This lead to Germany becoming bankrupt and their currency worthless to pay for the war damages. This lead to resentment in Germany and allowed Adolf Hitler to gain power and create the Nazi regime. It eventually lead to World War II and ended up killing up to eighty-five million people in Europe, North Africa, and the Pacific. From this war, the USA and the USSR became super powers and had an intense rivalry that lead to the Cold War. After a series of events throughout that period, the USSR fell and created a new world once again. Now, bitter rivalries are flaring up again that can be traced back to the cold war and it's during a time where terrorism is rampant with some blaming American imperialism in the 20th century.

And this only the tip of the iceberg. Just think, how much different this world could be right now if Gavrilo Princip never assassinated Archduke Ferdinand?

Maybe.. I think the great powers at that time were inching for a war, so it would have probably come sooner or later.

Although I wonder what life would be like if Adolf Hitler was never born. The idea that one man could spread so much hate and misery is pretty mind boggling.
 
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Well I lack a belief in a God because of a lack of adequate evidence. So it seems more probable to me that life came from natural means rather than poofed into existence from some ever greater complex being.

So you believe (against science) that life can come from inanimate material? And you have adequate evidence to back that belief?
 
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So you believe (against science) that life can come from inanimate material? And you have adequate evidence to back that belief?

I wouldn't say it's "against science". We don't know how life began. I would say it had to come from non-life at some point. I really have no idea. I'm just saying I find a natural explanation more probable then some incredibly complex being jump starting it.
 
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So you believe (against science) that life can come from inanimate material? And you have adequate evidence to back that belief?

Science has come up with all kinds of theory for life to be possible without God. Whether or not these theories are more probable than a creator is the question we all must ask ourselves. I haven't seen any scientific theory that proposes life without God, that isn't considered mathematically impossible.
 
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Another thing that blows my mind is that there were several opportunities for Hitler to die before gaining power and he survived them all. He almost drowned in a river at age 4, survived getting shot, gassed, and blown by artillery shell several times in World War I, was homeless at one point, and still managed to get in power of a prestigious nation.

It's almost as if it was his destiny to become the Nazi dictator we all knew...

Maybe. I did watch an interesting documentary about Adolf Hitler and the numerous assassination attempts which kind of demystifies the whole thing. Also there is speculation that many of his war stories were fabricated.
 
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Science has come up with all kinds of theory for life to be possible without God. Whether or not these theories are more probable than a creator is the question we all must ask ourselves. I haven't seen any scientific theory that proposes life without God, that isn't considered mathematically impossible.

Yeah, thus far there isn't any evidence for the supernatural. Assuming there is, if you can't test it science really has no business regarding that topic besides debunking claims.
 
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That is a good question though.. what is the supernatural? If it has a logic to it, how much different is it to the regular natural?

In the far future humans may be able to do things many would call supernatural now, yet it would still be natural. So idk.. lol.

Is there an objective reason to revere it?
 
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Yeah, thus far there isn't any evidence for the supernatural. Assuming there is, if you can't test it science really has no business regarding that topic besides debunking claims.

I think the biggest problem is "whether or not God exists" isn't a scientific question. God is outside the scope of science. Which does I think bring many problems when scientists try to write books about God when their opinion is as valid as any other person you speak to on the street. They are just laymans talking about God. I get they are experts in science but they aren't experts in God. So I wouldn't become an atheist based off of what a layman said about God. I would however be more persuaded by the many books we see written by former theologians who became atheists.
 
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I wouldn't say it's "against science". We don't know how life began. I would say it had to come from non-life at some point. I really have no idea. I'm just saying I find a natural explanation more probable then some incredibly complex being jump starting it.

What is the natural explanation then? All I can ever find is "that something unexplainable happened"....
Does anyone really still believe in spontaneous generation...which is basically what evolution requires to be plausible? Is there a natural explanation for this step in the process because I haven't found it?
 
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What is the natural explanation then? All I can ever find is "that something unexplainable happened"....
Does anyone really still believe in spontaneous generation...which is basically what evolution requires to be plausible? Is there a natural explanation for this step in the process because I haven't found it?

So far there isn't one. Scientists are currently looking. Given there being no evidence thus far of God, I don't think looking for a supernatural explanation is the wisest use of time and resources though. Assuming such a thing would even be testable, and if not would be outside the scope of science.
 
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