Men should wear shirts at the beach

[Sammy-San]

Well yes, but in the Garden of Eden, the Bible talks about Adam and Eve being naked, not about them being nude, even though they were both. They covered themselves because they were naked.

Do you believe arms are modest?

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Do you believe arms are modest?

Like can one be modest while displaying arms? Depends on what they're doing with them. Having them exposed is fine, but doing flexes in public is immodest.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Why make something out of nothing with a simple term? lol

na·ked
ˈnākid/
adjective
adjective: naked

1.
(of a person or part of the body) without clothes.
"he'd never seen a naked woman before"
synonyms: nude, bare, in the nude, stark naked, having nothing on, stripped, unclothed, undressed; More
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nude
n(y)o͞od/
adjective
adjective: nude

1.
wearing no clothes; naked.
"a painting of a nude model"
synonyms: naked, stark naked, bare, unclothed, undressed, disrobed, stripped, unclad, au naturel, without a stitch on, in one's birthday suit, in the raw, in the altogether, in the buff; More

Look at the first word (and probably meant as the most likely match) of the respective synonyms...naked/nude, nude/naked. They couldn't be any closer in meaning. They are exactly the same thing when it comes to context of subject.

Got it?

 

[PeachieKeen]

Personally, I think we should be working on the true issues we have as a society with lust and sexualization instead of continuing to try and clean things up downstream by trying to cover each other's bodies up so we don't have to deal with it. There is nothing wrong or overtly sexual about the human body, male or female. If we can acknowledge our inability to view one another without feeling sexual to be our own sin, God is more than powerful enough to transform our hearts.

 

[Sammy-San]

Be careful with nude v. naked. Nude means the body is exposed, naked means the body is vulnerable. You can be naked without being nude.

Isn't that like saying young girl, young woman, and young lady have a different meaning?

 

[Larniavc]

Even as a kid I remember feeling weird about not wearing a shirt at the pool. So, I wore a shirt at the pool as a kid.
Women are supposed to wear tops, and cover themselves at the beach. I think they should be even more modest though, but I want to address the issue of men here.
We shouldn't be showing off our bodies, and we should cover ourselves.
Try wearing a rash guard and trunks.
Speedos are for weirdos.

I'd get used to it if I were you.

It's not going to change and is harmless. Think yourself lucky you don't live in a country where there are strict clothing customs.

 

[Near]

I'd get used to it if I were you.

It's not going to change and is harmless. Think yourself lucky you don't live in a country where there are strict clothing customs.

I think you're misunderstanding.
I don't expect the world's customs to change. I'm trying to speak to christian men, pointing out that we should strive to appear modest, and I believe that includes wearing shirts at the beach.

 

[Sammy-San]

Morally, no. It does in the context of the cultures at the time though.

Adam and Eve clothed themselves and felt ashamed.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Personally, I think we should be working on the true issues we have as a society with lust and sexualization instead of continuing to try and clean things up downstream by trying to cover each other's bodies up so we don't have to deal with it. There is nothing wrong or overtly sexual about the human body, male or female. If we can acknowledge our inability to view one another without feeling sexual to be our own sin, God is more than powerful enough to transform our hearts.

The day we, as a whole, in this world, stop lusting is the day there is no longer anything to lust after.

However, we read the Kingdom of God is now so, yes, yours is a good way to go about it, and it is possible, even required/necessary. However, with the temptations the world offers , I suppose we need to do all we can to help that along...out of sight, out of mind.

I think the rules will all be different in the next world, hence the temptations much less. So between that and dealing with ourselves from the inside out, things will be a lot simpler in the next life.

Thing is, to get to that life, we need to start now, work around the world, work on it from inside and covering the outside can't hurt.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Why make something out of nothing with a simple term? lol

na·ked
ˈnākid/
adjective
adjective: naked

1.
(of a person or part of the body) without clothes.
"he'd never seen a naked woman before"
synonyms: nude, bare, in the nude, stark naked, having nothing on, stripped, unclothed, undressed; More
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nude
n(y)o͞od/
adjective
adjective: nude

1.
wearing no clothes; naked.
"a painting of a nude model"
synonyms: naked, stark naked, bare, unclothed, undressed, disrobed, stripped, unclad, au naturel, without a stitch on, in one's birthday suit, in the raw, in the altogether, in the buff; More

Look at the first word (and probably meant as the most likely match) of the respective synonyms...naked/nude, nude/naked. They couldn't be any closer in meaning. They are exactly the same thing when it comes to context of subject.

Got it?

Remember the Bible was translated to English over 400 years ago. You shouldn't use modern definitions for this.

 

[Near]

Personally, I think we should be working on the true issues we have as a society with lust and sexualization instead of continuing to try and clean things up downstream by trying to cover each other's bodies up so we don't have to deal with it. There is nothing wrong or overtly sexual about the human body, male or female. If we can acknowledge our inability to view one another without feeling sexual to be our own sin, God is more than powerful enough to transform our hearts.

Lust is not exactly the issue I'm talking about.
If one day we all were completely free from any sort of sexual attraction, I would be there, clothed. In heaven, we'll all be clothed.
People need to be modest and fully clothed regardless of whether or not sexual attraction is potentially there.
There's nothing wrong with the human body, but that doesn't mean it's proper to be nude, or half-dressed.
Part of working as a society includes what I'm talking about. We start small, and inspire and educate others on how to dress, telling them what's appropriate, and what's not.

 

[Near]

Are you saying lack of clothes is base behavior?

Well, if someone is nude, and proud of it, then they're clearly insane. I remember going to a day-care center as a kid. All the kids played, and were alright over there, but one kid named Steven who was about 4 or 5 liked to strip down and run around. The other kids and I climbed on top of couches so that he couldn't touch us. We knew, even as children, there was something wrong with naked people.
People wear clothes, animals don't wear clothes.
People who intentionally wear overly revealing clothes are not smart.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Remember the Bible was translated to English over 400 years ago. You shouldn't use modern definitions for this.

Show me how that relates to the terms naked and nude? I understand your point...just don't think it applies here, but I'm willing to listen.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Show me how that relates to the terms naked and nude? I understand your point...just don't think it applies here, but I'm willing to listen.

Historically the term naked has been associated with shame and exposure, usually in terms of nudity but not always. For example, Jesus is often depicted on the cross as wearing a basic cloth over his pelvic region yet described as "naked".

The word nude is usually used to describe the body being exposed without a negative connotation. Adam and Eve were nude, but not naked, before the fall. Then they were suddenly naked, as they felt shame for what they had done. That's why God asks who told them they were naked. He's asking why they suddenly feel ashamed of their bodies. It's not as though they weren't aware that their bodies were exposed.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Adam and Eve were nude, but not naked

Actually they were both nude and naked in today's terminology. And remember God asked them how they knew they were naked, clearly meaning without clothing else he would not have covered them.

If you wan to get into the many ways a person can be naked fine but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, and I just didn't see why it was being complicated to the point it was.

 

[Larniavc]

I think you're misunderstanding.
I don't expect the world's customs to change. I'm trying to speak to christian men, pointing out that we should strive to appear modest, and I believe that includes wearing shirts at the beach.

What's so modest about wearing a shirt?

 

[Larniavc]

Well, if someone is nude, and proud of it, then they're clearly insane

You think that would make someone insane?

When Arnie won Mr Universe wearing a skimpy thong and was proud of his achievements do you honestly think he was insane?

You may not feel comfortable with nakedness but to call people who are insane is hyperbole of the highest order.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Actually they were both nude and naked in today's terminology. And remember God asked them how they knew they were naked, clearly meaning without clothing else he would not have covered them.

If you wan to get into the many ways a person can be naked fine but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, and I just didn't see why it was being complicated to the point it was.

By today's use of the English language, yes, they were naked before sin. However, we should not be looking at today's English. Just as an example, when Jesus asks Peter three times "Do you love me?" Peter does NOT reply in the affirmative in Greek. In Greek, Jesus says agape and Peter says phileo, which do not mean the same thing. In English, we read "Do you love me?" "Yes I love you" but in Greek it reads "Do you love me unconditionally?" "I love you as a friend."

In the same way, you should not read that as "Adam and Eve were without clothing before the fall, and realized that they were without clothing after the fall." Rather, it would be better translated into MODERN English as "Adam and Eve were without clothing in a way that displayed their bodies tastefully and beautifully before the fall, and after the fall they began to be ashamed of their bodies and felt it necessary to cover themselves."

My point and how this relates to the thread is that people don't cover themselves because it's modest or because it protects from impure thoughts. People began to cover themselves due to shame, and exposed themselves to others only during sex. This began an association of sex and nudity, which made it immodest to not be covered. As society removes more and more of this strong association, the bounds of what is not modest and what is too modest move in the general "nude" direction.

 

[Kenny'sID]

By today's use of the English language, yes, they were naked before sin. However, we should not be looking at today's English.

The subject of the thread is naked/nude as in without clothing...case closed.

Wow.

 

[Blue Wren]

its truth in addition to an expression of what im conveying. i want to get the point across that breasts are not inherently sexual. old breasts that are ugly should be covered just like every other breast out there, including men's breasts. sorry if i was too descriptive.

It is not truth, no. It's a very vile way, for you to describe, how you think older people look. They are not ugly.