Men should wear shirts at the beach

[Blue Wren]

I'm not making this about what's sexual or not sexual.
Women's breasts aren't inherently sexual, especially if they are really old women's breasts, saggy, wrinkled bags of powder.

This is a shamefully rude thing to write, especially, as we are on a Christian forum!

 

[Near]

This is a shamefully rude thing to write, especially, as we are on a Christian forum!

its truth in addition to an expression of what im conveying. i want to get the point across that breasts are not inherently sexual. old breasts that are ugly should be covered just like every other breast out there, including men's breasts. sorry if i was too descriptive.

 

[381465]

50 year old man reporting in here.

I don't go shirtless much anymore. Metabolism retired about 15 years ago.
Little time or interest in a workout ritual.
Gray hair on chest resembles a sea gull in flight.

Cover that mess up.

 

[tulipbee]

Nudity will solve the transgender problem

 

[Sammy-San]

yeah, but (christian) social conditioning should be directed so that men ought to wear shirts or tanks as a norm at beaches imo

Why?

 

[Sammy-San]

yeah, i don't expect the world of non-christians to agree with me on this, but maybe muslims probably would, but anyways, I think christian women should probably use something like trunks in addition to the one-piece at least, and then a less form fitting swim-shirt over the one-piece. Otherwise it just looks like they're in underwear which is immodest. So, this whole thing about men and women having to cover up different areas is settled when both men and women just cover up from above the knee, to the neck.

What's your view on immodest? Are bare arms, bare feet, or lower legs immodest?

 

[Sammy-San]

which brings up a good point. Biblically, modesty is dressing in a way that will not cause your brother (or sister) to stumble. It isn't that nudity is a sin for the sake of nudity. Otherwise it would be ill for women to be nude together or men to be nude together.

I am not making a declaration about the World, but I know in America, just wearing a swimsuit can cause problems for many men, etc.

what does your conscience say? How will your dress affect those around you? I agree with you about there being limits. I mean you can only bend over backwards so far... But you do have to bend over backwards at times for the sake of weaker brothers/sisters and unbelievers.

Does this mean it is ok to be topless in an African village where everyone is topless??? Where your breasts won't cause anyone to stumble? I don't know... I don't know.

Doesn't the Bible describe nudity as shameful and degrading?

 

[Sammy-San]

I'm not making this about what's sexual or not sexual.
Women's breasts aren't inherently sexual, especially if they are really old women's breasts, saggy, wrinkled bags of powder. So, even if their breasts aren't sexual or attractive, I think they should still cover themselves up, because it's immodest and not honorable. This isn't entirely about sexuality, we cover up our butts for a reason, not just the front sides, it's about covering what's supposed to be covered, and I believe God puts it in our conscience to cover ourselves up, just like in Genesis.
As for Spain, and Africa, I think they set their own standards, and they don't agree with the top tier of modesty, and I think Christians should aim for that top tier of what's modest or at least aim for what's sufficiently modest, like a tank and trunks on everyone.
Women can wear no socks if they want. I'm saying men should wear shirts. That's my point, and that's what I said in the OP.

Isn't that like saying other areas aren't sexual (without being too crass)?

 

[Grandpa2390]

The reason men like breasts is because they don't see them normally.

I know this. It is what the other poster wrote, and I agreed.

Doesn't the Bible describe nudity as shameful and degrading?

yeah, I guess with Noah... But it doesn't define what nudity is. our culture does though.

One thing everyone seems to agree with, is that your loins should be covered... except nudists...

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Doesn't the Bible describe nudity as shameful and degrading?

Morally, no. It does in the context of the cultures at the time though.

 

[Near]

Whatever you may think on this, whether the knees should be covered, or whether one can show the arms or not. One's desire should be to appear modest.
So, if one's goal is to be modest, I'd think naturally a person will gravitate to wear more clothes rather than less clothes.

 

[FrankDux]

Yes, but can we still get away with wearing Jams ?

*puts bag over head*

 

[Near]

What's your view on immodest? Are bare arms, bare feet, or lower legs immodest?

I think people shouldn't wear skin-tight clothes. Slim fit is okay, but at some point people go too far and wear clothes that basically expose the shape too much. It used to be the case that women would wear skirts with leggings, and now many just wear the leggings forgetting the skirt and exposes the butt.
I'm not gay, but I imagine similar form-fitting apparel on men is a stumbling block to women.
However, more than that, clothes are meant to be like a crown upon us, a sign of nobility separate from the beasts of the earth. We shouldn't just walk around half-naked. We all ought to look dignified and respectable.

Isn't that like saying other areas aren't sexual (without being too crass)?

Yeah, and I guess I could have left out the crassness, but it's too late now.
Just saying, if a person is ugly, and their private areas look like a literal gorilla that is so old it remembers Noah's ark, they should still cover up, because it's the right thing to do, it's part of being human.

 

[Sammy-San]

I think people shouldn't wear skin-tight clothes. Slim fit is okay, but at some point people go too far and wear clothes that basically expose the shape too much. It used to be the case that women would wear skirts with leggings, and now many just wear the leggings forgetting the skirt and exposes the butt.
I'm not gay, but I imagine similar form-fitting apparel on men is a stumbling block to women.
However, more than that, clothes are meant to be like a crown upon us, a sign of nobility separate from the beasts of the earth. We shouldn't just walk around half-naked. We all ought to look dignified and respectable.

Yeah, and I guess I could have left out the crassness, but it's too late now.
Just saying, if a person is ugly, and their private areas look like a literal gorilla that is so old it remembers Noah's ark, they should still cover up, because it's the right thing to do, it's part of being human.

Skin tight basically means it shouldnt look like you are exposing areas that are normally covered. Would you view arms as totally modest?

 

[Sammy-San]

Morally, no. It does in the context of the cultures at the time though.

Can a Christian be a nudist? What does the Bible say about nudity?

Nudity now has implications of sinfulness attached to it. With few exceptions, the Bible presents nakedness as shameful and degrading (Genesis 9:21; Exodus 20:26; 32:25; 2 Chronicles 28:19; Isaiah 47:3; Ezekiel 16:35-36; Luke 8:27; Revelation 3:17; 16:15; 17:16). The only passages in which nudity is free of shame are those that describe Eden’s idyllic setting or that deal with marital relations (Proverbs 5:18-19; Song of Solomon 4).

 

[Sammy-San]

I think people shouldn't wear skin-tight clothes. Slim fit is okay, but at some point people go too far and wear clothes that basically expose the shape too much. It used to be the case that women would wear skirts with leggings, and now many just wear the leggings forgetting the skirt and exposes the butt.
I'm not gay, but I imagine similar form-fitting apparel on men is a stumbling block to women.
However, more than that, clothes are meant to be like a crown upon us, a sign of nobility separate from the beasts of the earth. We shouldn't just walk around half-naked. We all ought to look dignified and respectable.

Yeah, and I guess I could have left out the crassness, but it's too late now.
Just saying, if a person is ugly, and their private areas look like a literal gorilla that is so old it remembers Noah's ark, they should still cover up, because it's the right thing to do, it's part of being human.

What is eros love?

So, moving from the base to the pure, we have eros, storge, philia, and agapé. This is not to denigrate eros as sinful or impure.

Are you saying lack of clothes is base behavior?

 

[Ygrene Imref]

As far as real "world" you'd not have a leg to stand on, but from the standpoint of some Christians...maybe.

I'll make a deal with them, I'll wear a top if they can get the gals to wear something more than what they do. I know you don't want the thread to head in that direction, but what the women wear is a huge problem as far as I'm concerned. It was bad in the 60's but today? Geez.

Sure from a certain perspective they look great, as in Va voom, but I would guess, even the conventional one piece was too much from Gods standpoint. God doesn't want us Va vooming each other, and I would imagine even the lack of a shirt on a man could bring that on.

I think we have responsibilities as humans to consider each other. Of course the culture of today is to entice with physical and capital means. So, bearing as little skin as legally possible is not seen as a bad thing at all - for men or women.

Though, I do agree with others that nudity is a social, even maturity issue. And not in the classical sense only, but in the spiritual sense. Not everyone may be spiritually ready to see a man showing off a chiseled chest, abs and/or skimping in covering other areas without lusting. And, technically, one would be enticing that lust especially if the attire is purposeful and cognizant. It is similar for women: some cannot see a bare female chest without thinking about what they would do in a lustful way.

Then, there are cultures that are nearly, or completely naked - and lust isn't an issue in proportion to the amount of clothing one wears.

Perhaps the more focus one puts on it, the more taboo it becomes. The more taboo it becomes, the more we humans seek it out. Then, you get morphological beasts of a very simple natural thing.

At the end of the day, I don't think wearing a shirt at the beach as a male is out of the question. It may not be fashionable, but it is a decent thing to do.

When I was in university, I was in peak training condition and have the conditioned body, but when I got out of the shower I still wore a towel and a shirt, because my dorm was coed. I know I looked weird to a lot of people, especially considering I "had the body to be shirtless;" people thought I had prison tattoos, abuse i didnt want to show... it was actually interesting hearing other peoples rationale for why I was choosing to cover up. But I figured some women didnt want to, or need to see my body even if it was nice to them. It may actually be offensive. Plus, mixed company is mixed company - hot or not.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Can a Christian be a nudist? What does the Bible say about nudity?

Be careful with nude v. naked. Nude means the body is exposed, naked means the body is vulnerable. You can be naked without being nude.

 

[Sammy-San]

Be careful with nude v. naked. Nude means the body is exposed, naked means the body is vulnerable. You can be naked without being nude.

They can sometimes mean the exact same thing.

 

[LutheranGuy123]

They can sometimes mean the exact same thing.

Well yes, but in the Garden of Eden, the Bible talks about Adam and Eve being naked, not about them being nude, even though they were both. They covered themselves because they were naked.