Do all humans come from Africa?

[devin553344]

Who said they had no evolution?

Sorry, I meant none to little, given a specific species. But maybe more than I'm aware?

 

[Acts2:38]

You are pushing pretty hard, making slanderous accusations like that. I'll bet you think Jesus loves you for it. JEPD theory may be wrong, but the people who came up with it were real scholars who took the Bible seriously; they weren't trying to water down the Bible or undermine its credibility.

But what your position boils down to is, "You don't agree with what I am telling you God said in the Bible, therefore you are calling God a liar." Who are you? Why should I care what you think about the Bible?

I'm sorry that you are not understanding what I have been saying.

My point is this, if you are questioning the bible and its authority, you would seek to prove or gain evidence for your "theory" that what the bible has said is wrong. Be it you know it or not, it is "watering down" the authority to say that it was a different author. It is attempting to ruin the bibles credibility.

I gave you Scriptural evidence that proves FOR A FACT they are wrong. Here they are again:

Mark 12:26 (reference found in Exodus 3)
Acts 3:22 (reference found in Deut. 18)
Romans 10:5 (reference found in Lev. 18)

That is not my own words sir. That is straight from scripture. So even if those scholars didn't try to destroy credibility intentionally, their lack of study of what scripture ACTUALLY says proves their ignorance in the matter and they shouldn't be making such claims in the first place.

I mean no ill will to you and I did show you proof. Absolute proof. If you wish not to see it then that is not on me.

 

[Humble me Lord]

So I guess I can't totally accept evolution

My opinion: I believe God is the creator of all. When one thinks of evolution, I think that means the ability to adapt and change with the surroundings so the living thing can survive. So God would not have created animals without the ability to adapt and change, evolve ?

 

[Humble me Lord]

I find it far fetched to believe that this beetle somehow gained the ability to do this without an amazing creator

 

[devin553344]

My opinion: I believe God is the creator of all. When one thinks of evolution, I think that means the ability to adapt and change with the surroundings so the living thing can survive. So God would not have created animals without the ability to adapt and change, evolve ?

That's interesting, thanks for that idea. I believe along those lines, and I also added to my beliefs that God guided and enforced evolution of ape-like humans, which is why evolution of humans is the oddity among animals. And by that I mean, birds didn't evolve into sentient masters of the planet, or other animals, just ape-like humans that we are evolved.

I guess I also prefer to believe that on some other planet, perhaps God has birds as the dominant sentient creatures, etc. God loves diversity?

 

[Humble me Lord]

Off topic, but it still bothers me that textbooks in schools still lie to kids.
Paleontology has a sordid history of frauds and deceit. In 120 years since Darwin, no one has found a fossil of a legitimate intermediate stage of any kind. The textbook examples of our supposed ancestors have all been discredited, some of them as deliberate frauds. The Heidelberg man was built from a jawbone; the Nebraska man (1922) was made from just one tooth that was later discovered to be part of an extinct pig; the Piltdown man (1912) was made from the jawbone of a modern ape and was filed and treated with iron salts to make it look old. Neanderthal man was found in the Neander valley near Dusseldorf. The International Congress of Zoology that it was just an old man suffering from arthritis. The Java man (1922) was built by an 1891 skull cap and femur, the teeth were from an orangutan.

 

[devin553344]

Off topic, but it still bothers me that textbooks in schools still lie to kids.
Paleontology has a sordid history of frauds and deceit. In 120 years since Darwin, no one has found a fossil of a legitimate intermediate stage of any kind. The textbook examples of our supposed ancestors have all been discredited, some of them as deliberate frauds. The Heidelberg man was built from a jawbone; the Nebraska man (1922) was made from just one tooth that was later discovered to be part of an extinct pig; the Piltdown man (1912) was made from the jawbone of a modern ape and was filed and treated with iron salts to make it look old. Neanderthal man was found in the Neander valley near Dusseldorf. The International Congress of Zoology that it was just an old man suffering from arthritis. The Java man (1922) was built by an 1891 skull cap and femur, the teeth were from an orangutan.

Yeah there is fraud stuff out there, one can predict that to be true unless scientists get in there and disprove or prove it with equipment and methods. It's too bad there are some bad apples that ruin it for everyone, making false claims and such.

 

[Humble me Lord]

I think what one must consider is that scientists are human, the bible is the inspired written word of God. So then the obvious question is, Is the bible trustworthy and Can God lie?
Can God lie?

 

[Episaw]

This is ignores what was pointed out earlier, that many genres are included in the Bibles, so we don't know where it is set, even if that's supposed to be saying that.

Since the stories aren't intended as literal descriptions, we can look at the rest of God's revelation - in His creation itself. That shows clearly that we came out of Africa before 50,000 years ago (after evolving from earlier apes), as numerous people on this thread have pointed out.

In Christ-Papias

You may not know but I have read enough scholarship to know that many people do know where it is set.

And your evidence that they are not a literal description is.......

As the world is 6,000 years old, it will be very difficult for us to come out of Africa 50,000 years ago as it did not exist them.

I guess we all have our fairy stories.

 

[Episaw]

Yes. Modern human beings migrated out of Africa. Secondary characteristics such as white skin or blonde hair are mutations that happened later in history.

And your evidence for white skin and blond hair are secondary characteristics as the result of mutations that happened later in history is.....

 

[Episaw]

The Hebrew word for day in Genesis 1 is yowm. In context, it cannot mean an entire age but just one 24 hour period since each day says "And the evening and the morning were" This gives you even FURTHER indication it was just a 24 hour period and NOT thousands or millions of years.

The thousands or millions of years was invented to throw a spanner in the works of those who believed what the scripture says and to pour water on seven literal days and a young earth belief.

At the same time if you can set everything in very long periods of time, whose to say how old the earth is? Very disingenuous.

 

[Humble me Lord]

Ever read up on carbon dating, where they get the millions and millions of years from?
It assumes the radiation from the sun is a constant, when all recent sun activity evidence is that the sun goes in cycles of putting out varying amounts of radiation.

 

[Episaw]

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming but I am willing to listen. So please post your proof.

Yes, it is if you believe lies as in apes and human share 99% of genes.

As former British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli observed indignantly upon reading Darwin, human beings are more like angels than apes. And he was right. No animal speaks, composes symphonies, paints masterpieces, sends probes to Saturn, or more importantly—desires a relationship with God.

Even if the "99%" canard were true, it wouldn't make us 99% chimps any more than a diamond's carbon composition makes it 99% coal. We're not the sum of our genes, and it's past time that journalists and commentators evolve past this outdated assertion.

A mathematician in the UK did calculations and said that the possibility of evolution is about a trillion trillion trillion to one.

Since Darwin was the catalyst for evolution (he said that evolution could not be proved on his findings) not one thing has evolved.

It is a known fact that evolution cannot happen because in the scheme of things each part of creation is dependent on each other. If they came about one after the other they would have died before "the other" came about.

 

[Episaw]

If a book, any book, goes through constant revision, it is not an ultimate authority or ultimate source of truth.

The scripture says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God...not the KJV is given by inspiration of God or the NIV is the inspiration of God or the CEV version is the inspiration of God.

I don't doubt for a moment that whatever the version is God can use it to show his plan of salvation to a seeker of truth.

The fact that there are different translations seems to be used by people who want to rubbish the authenticity of the Bible. Whatever version you use, you still need the Holy spirit to lead you into all truth.

If the Bible is God's word and it is and the Holy Spirit is leading you into the truth of those words, the version you use is irrelevant which you would know if you really wanted to know the truth rather than just trying to sound superior and intelligent.

it has always been a problem with mankind that he thinks he knows better than God.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Off topic, but it still bothers me that textbooks in schools still lie to kids.
Paleontology has a sordid history of frauds and deceit. In 120 years since Darwin, no one has found a fossil of a legitimate intermediate stage of any kind. The textbook examples of our supposed ancestors have all been discredited, some of them as deliberate frauds. The Heidelberg man was built from a jawbone; the Nebraska man (1922) was made from just one tooth that was later discovered to be part of an extinct pig; the Piltdown man (1912) was made from the jawbone of a modern ape and was filed and treated with iron salts to make it look old. Neanderthal man was found in the Neander valley near Dusseldorf. The International Congress of Zoology that it was just an old man suffering from arthritis. The Java man (1922) was built by an 1891 skull cap and femur, the teeth were from an orangutan.

What do you expect, when Satan is the father of lies?

 

[Open Heart]

And your evidence for white skin and blond hair are secondary characteristics as the result of mutations that happened later in history is.....

Basically: GENETICS

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European’s skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.

 

[Humble me Lord]

What do you expect, when Satan is the father of lies?

This is exactly the reason our daughter will not be attending a secular college. The God of this world has taken over the education houses in this country and we are only partially seeing the results.

 

[sfs]

Sorry, I meant none to little, given a specific species. But maybe more than I'm aware?

They've evolved just as much as humans have. We just tend to lump other species together as if they were all the same, since we're more aware of subtle human differences than we are differences in other animals.

 

[sfs]

In 120 years since Darwin, no one has found a fossil of a legitimate intermediate stage of any kind.

That's false. There are many transitional fossil species.

The textbook examples of our supposed ancestors have all been discredited, some of them as deliberate frauds.

That's false.

The Heidelberg man was built from a jawbone; the Nebraska man (1922) was made from just one tooth that was later discovered to be part of an extinct pig; the Piltdown man (1912) was made from the jawbone of a modern ape and was filed and treated with iron salts to make it look old. Neanderthal man was found in the Neander valley near Dusseldorf. The International Congress of Zoology that it was just an old man suffering from arthritis. The Java man (1922) was built by an 1891 skull cap and femur, the teeth were from an orangutan.

Pretty much everything you've just written is completely false. Heidelberg man is known from more than a jawbone. Nebraska man was never a textbook example of anything, was never considered conclusive of anything, and was quickly retracted by its finders. Piltdown man was indeed a fraud -- that one is correct. Neanderthals have been found throughout Europe and western Asia, not in a single place or a single individual; they were anatomically distinct from modern humans. We even have a complete genome sequence from them. Java man was Homo erectus, of which again we have many examples, and has nothing to do with orangutans.

I'm afraid this is the image many scientists are given of Christians: people who will believe any kind of falsehood, whose beliefs have no connection to reality.

 

[sfs]

Ever read up on carbon dating, where they get the millions and millions of years from?

No one gets millions of years from carbon dating.

It assumes the radiation from the sun is a constant, when all recent sun activity evidence is that the sun goes in cycles of putting out varying amounts of radiation.

No, it doesn't. Carbon dating is calibrated using tree rings (among other things).

These aren't matters of interpretation: everything you're saying is just straight-up wrong.