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Why seek "God"?

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only the true One is the (primary) source of the perfect truth, buddha had not explained it and therefore had not used the (biblical) doctrine of eternal judgment as a basis of his teaching(s) - the true One and His(the biblical) prophets are the only ones explaining the perfect truth...

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I have no personal knowledge of your alleged "true One", an alleged "eternal judgment" or his alleged "prophets". I do have personal knowledge of the Buddha's teachings, however.
 
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If you're drawn via love to others, is that not a form of attachment?
Only if it was limited to any singular individual, phenomenon etc. This was not expecting permanence from impermanent things. Just all-encompassing (and transcending) benevolence.
 
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Only if it was limited to any singular individual, phenomenon etc. This was not expecting permanence from impermanent things. Just all-encompassing (and transcending) benevolence.
... benevolence for all (more than one), correct? Then I would suggest that there still exists attachment, only just that it's for the all.
 
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I have no personal knowledge of your alleged "true One", an alleged "eternal judgment" or his alleged "prophets". I do have personal knowledge of the Buddha's teachings, however.

this "i have no knowledge of... (true One), etc." seems very irresponsible/sounds like you are not interested in what the truth really is?!

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this "i have no knowledge of... (true One), etc." seems very irresponsible/sounds like you are not interested in what the truth really is?!

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I am always interested in truth. However, I seek to personally know and appropriate that truth, not simply have blind faith that something is allegedly truth.
 
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... benevolence for all (more than one), correct? Then I would suggest that there still exists attachment, only just that it's for the all.

Well,
1. I disagree with your assessment.

Buddhism isn't and has never been intended to be a path of lonely, starved asketics withdrawing to the top of a mountain, but always leads back to the "marketplace". It embraces benevolence, not callous withdrawal. Attachment and its relation to suffering are connected to the nature of impermanence, our illusions or false conclusions, and our unwillingness to accept change and a non-static universe (death, entropy, evolution, etc.) as the nature of reality.

2. Who is more attached? The asket who needs to withdraw from life in order to resist "temptation" - or the person who embraces life without seeking to conserve it or hold on to it? The anorexic is as much of a slave to food as the glutton.

3. I do not identify as a Buddhist. I'm partial to it, and take some inspiration from it, but I am no more beholden to its traditions and dogmas than to any other religion's. And I do not think it can hold up without some serious updates, based on advances in our understanding and knowledge of physiology, psychology, mind sciences, and the physical world.
 
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The Bible says that there are no God seekers.

Romans 3:10-12 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; (11) no one understands; no one seeks for God. (12) All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
 
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Well,
1. I disagree with your assessment.

Buddhism isn't and has never been intended to be a path of lonely, starved asketics withdrawing to the top of a mountain, but always leads back to the "marketplace". It embraces benevolence, not callous withdrawal. Attachment and its relation to suffering are connected to the nature of impermanence, our illusions or false conclusions, and our unwillingness to accept change and a non-static universe (death, entropy, evolution, etc.) as the nature of reality.
My understanding of Buddhism is that the arahant ideal, with the cessation of his kamma-sankaras/lifestream, contributes the most to the cessation of suffering - for himself and for others. He does not return ("lead back to the 'marketplace'"), but completely withdraws from samsara. Such a withdrawal is not callous, but supremely benevolent. Not only does he serve as a prime example to others, the cessation of his lifestream removes its potential to produce and add dukkha to others in samsara. Also, the compassion he demonstrates towards others is a consequence of the remainder of the kamma-sankaras which must be exhausted before he enters into parinibbana.

2. Who is more attached? The asket who needs to withdraw from life in order to resist "temptation" - or the person who embraces life without seeking to conserve it or hold on to it? The anorexic is as much of a slave to food as the glutton.
Both are attached in different ways.

3. I do not identify as a Buddhist. I'm partial to it, and take some inspiration from it, but I am no more beholden to its traditions and dogmas than to any other religion's.
Neither am I, I try to speak mainly based on what I've known for myself.

And I do not think it can hold up without some serious updates, based on advances in our understanding and knowledge of physiology, psychology, mind sciences, and the physical world.
What updates would that be?
 
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Well,

3. I do not identify as a Buddhist. I'm partial to it, and take some inspiration from it, but I am no more beholden to its traditions and dogmas than to any other religion's. And I do not think it can hold up without some serious updates, based on advances in our understanding and knowledge of physiology, psychology, mind sciences, and the physical world.

You just described me...
 
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The Bible says that there are no God seekers.

Romans 3:10-12 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; (11) no one understands; no one seeks for God. (12) All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."

It also strongly suggests that there are: "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:13.

As much as I love Paul, I don't understand why people base their whole theology around his moments of despair and exaggeration. Western Christianity would be a lot less myopic if people went around quoting "faith, hope, and love" instead of "total depravity."
 
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If something/someone receives your love, and they do not perform to your expectation, does it affect you in any way?

Well I'll give you an example. My outlook or feeling I have within is to treat all life with respect, to show that I care. I call that love as stated prior because it's an outward projection of action from what I feel inside, so it's an act of love. I love all life, be it human, plant animal etc. If I don't eat a cow it's because I have its physical and mental well being at heart, I ask nothing of it, it has my love. I have no expectation of the cow. Can you see how I could then apply that to a human?
Am I completely resistant to another reaction to me? No, but then who is? but it doesn't corrode my capacity to continue to love in the manner I've stated.
 
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Well I'll give you an example. My outlook or feeling I have within is to treat all life with respect, to show that I care. I call that love as stated prior because it's an outward projection of action from what I feel inside, so it's an act of love. I love all life, be it human, plant animal etc. If I don't eat a cow it's because I have its physical and mental well being at heart, I ask nothing of it, it has my love. I have no expectation of the cow. Can you see how I could then apply that to a human?
Am I completely resistant to another reaction to me? No, but then who is? but it doesn't corrode my capacity to continue to love in the manner I've stated.
From what you describe, I would not call it "love". Buddhists like myself would call that "compassion" or "empathetic joy", two states higher than mere love. These states retain less attachment than love, but nevertheless attachment exists, as you stated.
 
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From what you describe, I would not call it "love". Buddhists like myself would call that "compassion" or "empathetic joy", two states higher than mere love. These states retain less attachment than love, but nevertheless attachment exists, as you stated.
Reading what Eyes wide Open wrote, I'd call it Love, and an opening that can come from Love.
 
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Reading what Eyes wide Open wrote, I'd call it Love, and an opening that can come from Love.
As many have pointed out, "love" is such a multivalent word, that it is essentially meaningless.

The ultimate goal of Buddhist practice - nibbana - is absent of attachments (and thus, absent of dukkha) of any kind, transcending the attachments of love (judging by any of its definitions, or attempts at definitions, I've heard).
 
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From what you describe, I would not call it "love". Buddhists like myself would call that "compassion" or "empathetic joy", two states higher than mere love. These states retain less attachment than love, but nevertheless attachment exists, as you stated.

I disagree because it feels like love, which leads to compassion (the act of showing mercy) The feeling creates the action. Empathy is the resultant feeling produced in light of another's plight etc.
Whether I'm being compassionate or empathetic the initial feelings produced within the body (a distinct change within from meditation some 8 years ago) were not dependant on any outside stimuli, i was detached from all physical outside activity at the time. That feeling has to have a word attributed to it, I call that love. You can put forward Buddhist concepts of higher/highest states but ultimately they mean nothing to me as I'm not a Buddhist, but understand the value to you on your pathway and what Buddhism offers the student.
 
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It also strongly suggests that there are: "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:13.

This seeking here is because God's grace has done a work in the heart of the believer, not because they seek Him, in and of themselves.

As much as I love Paul, I don't understand why people base their whole theology around his moments of despair and exaggeration.

I don't base my whole theology solely on Paul. Nor did Paul despair or exaggerate. This is a completely wrong characterization.

Western Christianity would be a lot less myopic if people went around quoting "faith, hope, and love" instead of "total depravity."

That would be a stereotype. Faith, hope and love (interestingly written by Paul) are meaningless without understanding the total depravity of man and the grace and mercy that God grants in Jesus Christ.
 
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As many have pointed out, "love" is such a multivalent word, that it is essentially meaningless.
I truly do understand that from your perspective and from within the particular path you follow that Love seems is meaningless. I get that. But that does not make it so for myself or others or even others who follow Buddhism.
 
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