Sabbath & Holy Days NECESSARY for salvation.

[Hethatreadethit]

The Sabbath is fulfilled for those who rest in the finished work of Christ not a day. Sabbath keeping is the ultimate in work's righteousness where sinful man tries to make a day holy with his pathetic good works. SDA and their Judaizing heresy come to mind.

The Sabbath is clearly commanded as a certain time, and there is no shame to observing it as the 4th commandment. The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people. The Sabbath is a time for the gathering together of God's people and how do you gather with your self in yourself and on a day that is not commanded. Once you turn your ear from the truth, the road just gets more and more crooked.

Don't hate the Jews even if their blind to Christ.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Their eyes were not blinded, because they obeyed and observed the Sabbath but rather the opposite, but the Sabbath remains a commandment of God to be fulfilled in its time, cause the commands are spiritual.

I believe days like easter and christmas and sunday worship are put in place as a snare to the blind. The Jews know that they are not God's days.

Lev 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Jerusalem is a city in captivity, and the Word of God has been seized upon by the teachers of falsehood.
Whosoever enters therein makes themselves a prey.

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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Hethatreadethit

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Jesus said that faith is one of the most important aspects of the Law (Matthew 23:23) and that if we love him, then we will obey His commands (John 14:15), so there is no dichotomy between God's Law and faith and love.



Can you really not see how absurd that is on the face of it? All throughout the Bible God wanted His people to repent and obey His commands by faith, but you would have me believe that God curses those who seek to obey His commands by faith and blesses those who don't have faith and live in disobedience to them. No, according to Deuteronomy 30:15-20, the Law brings life and a blessing for obedience and death and a curse for disobedience, so it is those who preach disobedience to the Law of our God who are false prophets who are under a curse. The curse of the Law is living in disobedience to it so being set free from the curse of the Law means that we have been set free from living in disobedience to it and are now free to enjoy the blessings of living in obedience to it. You can't be a believer that Jesus is Lord without submitting to his commands as Lord and follow his example.



There is a world of difference between saying that as servants of God we need to obey His Law by faith and saying that we need to obey His Law in order to become justified. The Law was never given for the purpose of providing the means of becoming justified and it does not follow that because we shouldn't obey it for that purpose that therefore we shouldn't obeying for the many purposes for which it was given. Paul spent a lot of time hammering home the point that obedience to the Law was not about trying to become justified and that we are justified by faith apart from the Law, yet today you are still making that same error of thinking that obeying the Law was about trying to become justified, only you have compounded your error by concluding that your faith has done away with your need to obey the Law, whereas Paul concluded that our faith does not abolish the Law, but rather our faith upholds the Law (Romans 3:27-31).

 

[Hethatreadethit]

I believe the Spirit of God follows the law, for it is the Spirit of truth and the Law follows the pathway of mercy and truth. The Law is Spiritual and is not understood by the carnal mind. When God gave the law to Israel, He could not show them the actual glory of His Word for they would have been consumed. But the law was a blueprint of better things to come.

 

[bugkiller]

Indeed it is resting in Christ:

Matthew 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

A yoke is a rabbinic term where a disciple would come under a rabbi's yoke and learn from them how to follow the Torah by memorizing their teachings and following their example. Messiah's example was one of complete obedience to the Torah, so to take his yoke on you would be learn his teachings and to follow his example, and if you will take his yoke upon you, then you will find rest for your souls, which is a reference to Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Torah is equated with the good way where we will find rest for our souls.

Then why did Jesus offer them rest for their souls if they already had it? BTW Jesus is not the law issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

HE says "MY YOKE IS EASY, and MY burden(should be better word here) is light"

MOSES commandments ARE NOT burdensome....

That is not what Peter said in Acts 15.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Indeed, God said that they were not too difficult (Deuteronomy 30:11-14, Romans 10:5-10) and elsewhere the Bible confirms that the commands of God are not burdensome (1 John 5:3).

If they are not to difficult why are there none besides Jesus that kept them?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

According to Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and Romans 10:5-10, God said that what he commanded was not too difficult, so to say that God's commands are a burden which no one could bear would be directly contradicting God. In 1 John 5:3, it also confirms that the commands of God are not burdensome. Rather, Jesus said that his yoke was light and easy, while it was that yoke of the Pharisees that Jesus compared to being a heavy burden (Matthew 23:2-4), so Acts 15:10 was simply expressing the same opinion of Pharisaic traditions that Jesus expressed. In Matthew 15:2-3, Jesus was asked why his disciples broke the traditions of the elders and he responded by asking them why they broke the command of God for the sake of their traditions. He then went on to say that for the sake of their tradition they made void the Word of God (Matthew 15:6), he quoted Isaiah to say that they worshiped God in vain because they were teaching as doctrines the commands of men (Matthew 15:8-9), and he called them hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions (Mark 7:6-9). So the yoke of the Pharisees was not the commands of God, but rather their yoke made void the commands of God for the sake of their traditions, and it is the traditions of the elders that neither Peter nor his fathers were able to bear. On the other hand, Jesus said that his yoke was light and easy, which is the Torah that he taught by word and by example.

On Deut 30 and Rom 10 I could not find what you are talking about.

John said the commandment of God is obedience to Jesus in I JN 3:23. Jesus said keep His commandments, not His Father's commandments that Jesus kept according to JN 15:10. We know that Jesus kept the law issued at Sinai. Jesus gave a new commandment in JN 13:34.

You imply one must worship on Saturday (observe the 4th). IF one worships on Sunday you claim it is vain worthless worship merely a tradition of men. I am sorry but I just do not get it when you violate the 4th yourself, making it your tradition of woman.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I believe the Spirit of God follows the law, for it is the Spirit of truth and the Law follows the pathway of mercy and truth. The Law is Spiritual and is not understood by the carnal mind. When God gave the law to Israel, He could not show them the actual glory of His Word for they would have been consumed. But the law was a blueprint of better things to come.

Just do not understand what you are posting. Are you saying the Spirit of truth leads us to the law issued at Sinai?

bugkiller

 

[bloodygrace]

The Sabbath is clearly commanded as a certain time, and there is no shame to observing it as the 4th commandment. The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people. The Sabbath is a time for the gathering together of God's people and how do you gather with your self in yourself and on a day that is not commanded. Once you turn your ear from the truth, the road just gets more and more crooked.

Don't hate the Jews even if their blind to Christ.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Their eyes were not blinded, because they obeyed and observed the Sabbath but rather the opposite, but the Sabbath remains a commandment of God to be fulfilled in its time, cause the commands are spiritual.

I believe days like easter and christmas and sunday worship are put in place as a snare to the blind. The Jews know that they are not God's days.

Lev 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Jerusalem is a city in captivity, and the Word of God has been seized upon by the teachers of falsehood.
Whosoever enters therein makes themselves a prey.

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Satan's ministers stand by, ready to assist you through the bible!

Sincerely,
Hethatreadethit

You are free to worship Christ on any day you choose as long as you realize that all of our works are unmerited under the new covenant which simply means that they contribute nothing towards our Salvation. So those who worship Christ on Sunday are just as accepted by Christ. It's not about the day it's about the faith we have. Sabbath keepers tend to see their works as merited which often leads to legalism.

 

[bloodygrace]

I believe the Spirit of God follows the law, for it is the Spirit of truth and the Law follows the pathway of mercy and truth. The Law is Spiritual and is not understood by the carnal mind. When God gave the law to Israel, He could not show them the actual glory of His Word for they would have been consumed. But the law was a blueprint of better things to come.

The law was replaced by grace 2000 years ago, but sometimes it takes that long to figure it all out. Are you a slow learner?

 

[bugkiller]

The Sabbath is clearly commanded as a certain time, and there is no shame to observing it as the 4th commandment. The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people. The Sabbath is a time for the gathering together of God's people and how do you gather with your self in yourself and on a day that is not commanded. Once you turn your ear from the truth, the road just gets more and more crooked.

Who is shaming others for keeping some form of the sabbath?

Don't hate the Jews even if their blind to Christ.

Are there Jew haters on this board?

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Their eyes were not blinded, because they obeyed and observed the Sabbath but rather the opposite, but the Sabbath remains a commandment of God to be fulfilled in its time, cause the commands are spiritual.

I believe days like easter and christmas and sunday worship are put in place as a snare to the blind. The Jews know that they are not God's days.

Maybe. I ask why, how and what caused these days to come about? When I read the Bible, especially Acts I think the Jews are the initial force causing them to come about.

Lev 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

I do not understand your use of this verse. If the days most Christians worship on are not the Jewish holy days we offend them. If we were to keep their holy days we offend them. This offense is read as a stumbling block.

Jerusalem is a city in captivity, and the Word of God has been seized upon by the teachers of falsehood.
Whosoever enters therein makes themselves a prey.

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

What does the above have to do with the subject of the thread?

Satan's ministers stand by, ready to assist you through the bible!

Yeppers they are.

bugkiller

 

[SAAN]

That is not what Peter said in Acts 15.

bugkiller

What Peter is referring to is all the added laws of the Pharisees, like the issue in Acts 15 itself. there is no where in the Torah that says you must be circumcised 1st in order to be saved and that is what they were teaching.

 

[SAAN]

If they are not to difficult why are there none besides Jesus that kept them?

bugkiller

Jesus was the only person who kept them perfectly. God knows mankind could not keep them perfectly, but it doesnt mean you shouldnt try to keep the commandments. This is where the bible says, you will know them by their fruits, a heart that desires to follows Gods commands shows their desire vs one that says , forget it only Jesus kept them.

 

[SAAN]

The law was replaced by grace 2000 years ago, but sometimes it takes that long to figure it all out. Are you a slow learner?

You have grace because you break the law. Know the definition of both and it will make sense. There is no where in the bible that said all the commandments of God were abolished and now replaced by grace. If you have no commands to keep, why do you need Grace to repent when you sin.

And ask yourself a question, if all we have is grace know, grace from what? We are still expected to repent and turn from our sins.

 

[Bob S]

Jesus was the only person who kept them perfectly. God knows mankind could not keep them perfectly, but it doesnt mean you shouldnt try to keep the commandments.

Israel "tried", so your point is completely off base. God wanted nothing less than perfect obedience. Either keep my laws and statues or lose the promised land. They lost the promised land. When they lost the land and since the land was the covenant agreement, the covenant ended. All that was in the covenant ended and you who insist that we have to keep that covenant are completely off base. THERE IS NO OLD ISRAELITE COVENANT IN EXISTENCE. IT BECAME HISTORY AT THE CROSS.

This is where the bible says, you will know them by their fruits, a heart that desires to follows Gods commands shows their desire vs one that says , forget it only Jesus kept them.

Completely out of context.
Matt 7:19-21
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Good works are following Jesus command to spread the Gospel to all the World and what we do for our fellow man. It is not observing ritual laws given only to Israel.

 

[bloodygrace]

You have grace because you break the law. Know the definition of both and it will make sense. There is no where in the bible that said all the commandments of God were abolished and now replaced by grace. If you have no commands to keep, why do you need Grace to repent when you sin.

And ask yourself a question, if all we have is grace know, grace from what? We are still expected to repent and turn from our sins.

You break God's law by just thinking you can keep it. Sinners can't keep God's law, all they can do is realize they are in fact sinners and trust in the merits of Christ.

 

[bugkiller]

What Peter is referring to is all the added laws of the Pharisees, like the issue in Acts 15 itself. there is no where in the Torah that says you must be circumcised 1st in order to be saved and that is what they were teaching.

On what do you base this?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus was the only person who kept them perfectly. God knows mankind could not keep them perfectly, but it doesnt mean you shouldnt try to keep the commandments. This is where the bible says, you will know them by their fruits, a heart that desires to follows Gods commands shows their desire vs one that says , forget it only Jesus kept them.

I desperately need you to explain why one should try to keep the impossible? Know one knows a person is a Christian by keeping some form of the sabbath. There are many nice people who are no Christians. In fact the organized church is full of them.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You have grace because you break the law. Know the definition of both and it will make sense. There is no where in the bible that said all the commandments of God were abolished and now replaced by grace. If you have no commands to keep, why do you need Grace to repent when you sin.

And ask yourself a question, if all we have is grace know, grace from what? We are still expected to repent and turn from our sins.

I have grace because I can not keep the law (backed up by the Bible). I take advantage of this because it is paid for with blood and is the only way one can become righteous in God's eyes.

bugkiller

 

[chihwahli]

(This post is for info only, not an attack to the 7th day Adventist church)

I talked to a few of them and basically they say: Sabbath is holy as in the 10 commandments. We have to keep it. As one of the reasons they say it is like: I love and honor God to much that I cannot ignore this.

Well, I said: keeping a rest day is good. For having rest and praying, waiting for our Lord Jesus to speak to us is very very good. But I sense that this is not what they want. If I talk about hearing our Lord Speak, they don't want to continue talking in this. The whole idea of rest or sabbath is to come close to our Lord Jesus and hear Him speak! Just what Maria did when she sat at Jesus feet. Jesus said that Maria has the best part. But the 7th
Adventist member I spoke missed the most important part of sabbath. One person does not keep sabbath to keep sabbath. Sabbath is to approach God almighty. If someone does not approach God at sabbath, then that sabbath day is just like any other day in the 365.

Sabbath needed to be saved???? Hmm, Jesus perfected and has followed and completed the Law with His death. The law (10 commandments) was the old covenant. It has been replaced by Jesus the new covenant. Do you know what replaced means?? It means it is no longer active. All humanity has only to go on the road called Jesus to go into salvation.

All humanity has to choose: your own way , or Jesus. There are no other roads. One leads to death and the other to life! Only 2 roads to choose. Should be soooo easy.