National Go Topless Day

[Sammy-San]

Is it because of the breasts or because of their faces, body shape?

What do you mean by it?

And I still want an answer to my question. You can't arrest people because of what the Bible says or does not say.[/QUOTE]

What if the male centaur had the same sized chest? So its the face?

 

[Archivist]

What if the male centaur had the same sized chest? So its the face?

No, it isn't.

Now, answer my question. And lets please get this thread back on topic.

 

[Darkhorse]

Here's a new slant...

When I lived in Florida, my Puerto Rican neighbors would laugh and gesture at me whenever I took my shirt off to mow the lawn. I was about 100 pounds overweight then, and I had more hanging down from my chest than their skinny wives.

So, was I indecent? Should I have been arrested?

 

[Sammy-San]

No, it isn't.

Now, answer my question. And lets please get this thread back on topic.

What do you mean it isn't?

 

[Archivist]

What do you mean it isn't?

I've answered your question multiple times. The female centaurs had breasts. The male centaurs did not. If you can't figure that out then watch the movie.

If size is the only issue to you then Darkhorse is right, we should be arresting many men who have larger chests than women.

Now, answer my question. Why should we arrest topless women when we don't arrest topless men. And don't say the Bible--You can't arrest people because of what the Bible says or does not say in a secular nation.

 

[pat34lee]

So, was I indecent? Should I have been arrested?

Yes and no.
You are mixing legal standards and laws with moral obligations for believers.

 

[pat34lee]

Why should we arrest topless women when we don't arrest topless men. .

The same reason we arrest bank robbers.
Because we have laws against women running around topless.
And we have laws against men or women running around bottomless.

 

[Archivist]

The same reason we arrest bank robbers. Because we have laws against women running around topless.

So you are equating a woman going topless with a bank robber? Several problems with this claim. First, it was once illegal for men to go topless in public in many places in America. The laws were changed because men simply stopped following them. Second, I know of no place where it is legal to rob a bank whereas women can legally breastfeed in public in 49 states and can go topless even if they are not breastfeeding in several states (New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Oregon, and Hawaii) and some cities (including Austin, TX, Boulder, CO, Columbus, OH, Eugene, OR, Portland, OR, Washington, DC). Third, as opposed to a bank robbery, who is harmed when a woman goes topless? If people were being harmed why is it legal in some places?

And we have laws against men or women running around bottomless.

Yes, and as I have said numerous times in this thread we are not talking about letting anyone go bottomless.

 

[Sammy-San]

So you are equating a woman going topless with a bank robber? Several problems with this claim. First, it was once illegal for men to go topless in public in many places in America. The laws were changed because men simply stopped following them. Second, I know of no place where it is legal to rob a bank whereas women can legally breastfeed in public in 49 states and can go topless even if they are not breastfeeding in several states (New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Oregon, and Hawaii) and some cities (including Austin, TX, Boulder, CO, Columbus, OH, Eugene, OR, Portland, OR, Washington, DC). Third, as opposed to a bank robbery, who is harmed when a woman goes topless? If people were being harmed why is it legal in some places?



Yes, and as I have said numerous times in this thread we are not talking about letting anyone go bottomless.

You don't agree that showing nipples on women is nudity?

 

[Sammy-San]

What do you mean by it?

And I still want an answer to my question. You can't arrest people because of what the Bible says or does not say.

Them being women from the waist up.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

This Sunday is National Go Topless Day, an annual event held to support the right of women to go topless in public on gender-equality grounds.

Any reason why Christian women should not participate?

Romans 14 is the only reason I can think of that a Christian Lady should not go topless.

Basically, it is about not putting a stumbling block in your Brothers Path.

Also, if you can do it for the Glory of God, go for it.

Somewhere it says, "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are ?????"

 

[Daniel Marsh]

So, we don't care about equal rights in this thread? We're only looking for reasons for Christian women not to participate in Go Topless Day?

For the purpose of equal rights, Us men should not go topless in support of women.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

The cause was that American men went to France to fight in WWI, where topless bathing was the norm for men. They brought the practice back to the US and existing laws were changed accordingly.

If the point in your last post was that it is part of our culture for women to not go topless, you miss the point that culture changes over time.

Isaiah 20:2 At the same time spake the Lord by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.

2 Samuel 6:20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, "How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!"

Job 1:20-22 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship 21 and said:

“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will depart.[a]
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”
22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

Mark 14:51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

Why was someone cursed in the Bible for uncovering Noah's nakedness?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Every time a woman walks fully clothed down the street a man will gaze and lust after her. Are you saying that a woman should wear a burqa so that a man won't lust? His lusting is his responsibility.

I bet a lady in a Bikini in a Nudist Camp would "cause" more lust then one naked.

 

[Archivist]

You don't agree that showing nipples on women is nudity?

Aside from the fact that some (certainly not all) women have larger nipples the men, exactly what is the difference between a male nipple and a female nipple?

 

[Archivist]

Romans 14 is the only reason I can think of that a Christian Lady should not go topless.

Basically, it is about not putting a stumbling block in your Brothers Path.

Also, if you can do it for the Glory of God, go for it.

Somewhere it says, "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are ?????"

But as I and others have pointed out in this thread, female breasts have less sexual attraction in places where women commonly go topless. So it it became commonplace in America it would be less of a stumbling block.

BTW, driving a nice car or living in a nice house or wearing nice clothing can also be a stumbling block to others, but Christians do those things all the time.

 

[Archivist]

Isaiah 20:2 At the same time spake the Lord by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.

2 Samuel 6:20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, "How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!"

Job 1:20-22 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship 21 and said:

“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will depart.[a]
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”
22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

Mark 14:51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

Why was someone cursed in the Bible for uncovering Noah's nakedness?

All of which deal with complete nudity, not just going topkess, with the exception of the verse from Samuel, and it describes something that men commonly do.

 

[Sammy-San]

I bet a lady in a Bikini in a Nudist Camp would "cause" more lust then one naked.

Why?

 

[Sammy-San]

If you think men showing their chests in public is the same thing as women then I have nothing more to say. You are too far gone to even have a conversation with. I've provided scriptures about nakedness. Also take a look at what the scriptures have to say about a woman's breasts. It speaks of them primarily in two ways. One as a breastfeeding mother and the other as a sexual object between a woman and her man. It never talks about them in any other fashion. On the other hand it says very little to nothing about a mans bare chest.

What is your view on the people who argue nipples aren't nudity?

 

[Archivist]

What is your view on the people who argue nipples aren't nudity?

Please answer my question. What is the difference between male nipples and female nipples? Why should men be allowed to expose their nipples in public while in most places women cannot except when breastfeeding?