Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?

[LoveofTruth]

I agree. That's waht the bible teaches us.

the seed is sown in every heart. But it is not in union with them until they receive Him. This seed is the word of God by which men are born again. This word is sown in all hearts Hebrews 4:12,13 KJV. This word is the voice of the Lord and if men hear his voice in their hearts they must respond. The word is the engrafted word that is able to save the soul. Being born again by the word of God the incorruptible seed. This word is the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9. This Light is Chris in them the hope of glory. This is the mystery that hath been hid from ages Christ in you the hope of glory. All OT saints did eat the same spiritual meat and drank the same spiritual drink we eat and drink of 1 Cor 10 . They had the Spirit of Chris in them. We see that Abraham had this seed ( Christ) in Him also in Galatians 3.

 

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the seed is sown in every heart. But it is not in union with them until they receive Him. This seed is the word of God by which men are born again. This word is sown in all hearts Hebrews 4:12,13 KJV. This word is the voice of the Lord and if men hear his voice in their hearts they must respond. The word is the engrafted word that is able to save the soul. Being born again by the word of God the incorruptible seed. This word is the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9. This Light is Chris in them the hope of glory. This is the mystery that hath been hid from ages Christ in you the hope of glory. All OT saints did eat the same spiritual meat and drank the same spiritual drink we eat and drink of 1 Cor 10 . They had the Spirit of Chris in them. We see that Abraham had this seed ( Christ) in Him also in Galatians 3.

As you said..."Being born again by the word of God the incorruptible seed.".....which clealy indicates you can't lose your salvation.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Do you still sin? If so then you seem to be claiming Christ blood wasn't good enough to wash away your future sins...and are now doomed to hell. What a sad religion.

as I abide in Christ I sin not (1 John 3:6,9 KJV). He gives me the victory. But if I am drawn away into the flesh I sin. Then I have no peace and I have torment. If I continue in His word my love is made perfect and perfect love casteth out fear , for fear hath torment. When we walk in the word in love we have no fear or condemnation, because we are not in sin.

Paul said

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

so there is condemnation to them that walk after the flesh.

If we abide in Christ through faith we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit. We cannot be in the flesh and in the Spirit or walk in the flesh and in the Spirit at the same time, if we do so knowingly. If we are ignorant and not understanding some things God looks at the heart.

 

[LoveofTruth]

As you said..."Being born again by the word of God the incorruptible seed.".....which clealy indicates you can't lose your salvation.

if you continue in my word....Jesus said

the IF's are important

Here are some about the word of God

the seed sown

11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.[notice that if they believe they would be saved]

13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe,[and so are saved according to Jesus] and in time of temptation fall away."[showing that you can be saved and then fall away, very clearly]

and

John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"

1 John 2:24
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father"

"...and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one."( 1 John 2:14 KJV)

Notice the "IF" here conditional word

"7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you...10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;"(John 15:7,10 KJV)

 

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as I abide in Christ I sin not (1 John 3:6,9 KJV). He gives me the victory. But if I am drawn away into the flesh I sin. Then I have no peace and I have torment. If I continue in His word my love is made perfect and perfect love casteth out fear , for fear hath torment. When we walk in the word in love we have no fear or condemnation, because we are not in sin.

Paul said

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

so there is condemnation to them that walk after the flesh.

If we abide in Christ through faith we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit. We cannot be in the flesh and in the Spirit or walk in the flesh and in the Spirit at the same time, if we do so knowingly. If we are ignorant and not understanding some things God looks at the heart.

Every christian finds themselves walking according to the flesh...or do you say you walk a perfect Christ walking life? Do you? You're false "can lose salvation gospel" condemns you..as you like all other believers find themselves walking after the flesh.

Your saved by mercy...maintained by what you do gospel is false. Stop preaching it.

 

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if you continue in my word

...and you always continue in Christ word? I feel sorry for your false gospel...as you don't always continue in Christ word...you like me sin..falter...and your false gospel kicks us out and condemns us.

Either Christ saves you or He doesn't.

Just how much does your Gospel say we have to do to remained saved?

 

[Sammy-San]

SALVATION IS AN IRREVOCABLE SPIRITUAL CHOICE!
ONCE SAVED, GOD WILL NEVER FORSAKE YOU!

1 Chronicles 28:9...David in giving his kingship to Solomon
“As for you, my son Solomon,
know the God of your father, and
serve Him with a whole heart (spirit) and a willing mind;
for the LORD searches all hearts, and
understands every intent of the thoughts.(soul)
If you seek Him, He will let you find Him;
but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.


Hebrews 13:5
Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, "I will never desert you, nor will I ever forsake you,"

Psalm 9:10
And those who know Your name will put their trust in You,
For You, O Lord, have not forsaken those who seek You.

Psalm 37:25
I have been young and now I am old,
Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken
Or his descendants begging bread.

For me it is irrelevant. I will do the right thing is OSAS is true, false, or somewhere in between.

 

[DeerGlow]

For me it is irrelevant. I will do the right thing is OSAS is true, false, or somewhere in between.

For me it is everything. If I have no hope to be saved, what's the point of my life? This thread has spiked my depression and anxiety again but no matter who is right or wrong it is extremely important.

 

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For me it is everything. If I have no hope to be saved, what's the point of my life? This thread has spiked my depression and anxiety again but no matter who is right or wrong it is extremely important.

If you cn lose your salvation..what does the bible teach on keeping your salvation?

 

[Sammy-San]

For me it is everything. If I have no hope to be saved, what's the point of my life? This thread has spiked my depression and anxiety again but no matter who is right or wrong it is extremely important.

Whether salvation can be lost or not shouldn't affect our walk with God.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Every christian finds themselves walking according to the flesh...or do you say you walk a perfect Christ walking life? Do you? You're false "can lose salvation gospel" condemns you..as you like all other believers find themselves walking after the flesh.

Your saved by mercy...maintained by what you do gospel is false. Stop preaching it.

if I do not abide in Christ and walk in the flesh I die. I have fallen many times and in that state I am dead I cannot say I know God or have seen Him in that state (1 John 3:6 KJV). I feel no love no power no connection to my God in sin. When I confess and repent and continue in the faith I have peace with God and he strengthens me to walk in victory

If God is working in all believers to make us perfect unto every good work, and we have been cleansed rom all sin and unrighteousness, what sin are we walking in when God works in us? No sin, we have ceased from sin because we walk in the spirit. The flesh is crucified and we are dead to sin. But if we live after the flesh we die.

The simple thing to teach is to tell all believers to keep in memory the gospel lest they have believed in vain (1 Cor 15:1-4) as Paul said. He said "if yes keep in memory..." notice the "IF" there again. This is conditional. We must live in faith every day for the just shall live by faith. And die daily and deny the flesh for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin, as Peter said. This is possible if God's love is shed abroad in our hearts and His word guides us and we walk in the Spirit . Only in Christ is there peace, for there is no peace to the wicked. Some falsely say that the wicked are in peace and all is well. But they lie and deceive the ones who hear.

we see this in Jeremiah 23 and in the NT as well. 1 Cor 6:9,10 Paul warned of being deceived and that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God

So can we say to those who live in these unrighteous sins mentioned in 1 Cor 6:9,10 that they are still going to enter the kingdom of God? If they die in such sin and unbelief

1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdomof God."

for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

and about the "condemnation" for walking in the flesh. I simple showed pals doctrine in Romans 8, given to Him by the Spirit. We read of condemnation coming on saints if they do other things such as

James 5:9
Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door."

1 Timothy 3:6
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil."

Titus 2:8
Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you."

 

[LoveofTruth]

If you cn lose your salvation..what does the bible teach on keeping your salvation?

Abide in Christ and ye shall live, walk in the Spirit and sow to the Spirit to reap everlasting life.

If you continue in the faith and continue in grace. If you overcome to the end. If you continue in His word.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Whether salvation can be lost or not shouldn't affect our walk with God.

it affects those who are give a false peace of false security in unbelief and sin. They think all is well and when they stand before God they may hear "away from me all ye that work iniquity"

it can be very dangerous to walk in the flesh.

1 John 3:5-10 show the difference

 

[LoveofTruth]

...and you always continue in Christ word? I feel sorry for your false gospel...as you don't always continue in Christ word...you like me sin..falter...and your false gospel kicks us out and condemns us.

Either Christ saves you or He doesn't.

Just how much does your Gospel say we have to do to remained saved?

Mu gospel is 1 Cor 15:1-4. and notice you must keep it in memory unless you have believed in vain.

He saves us as we abide with him, or continue dwell and remain with him. How can we say we are with Jesus unless we continue in the faith. We cannot say to any man, you need not have faith daily or pick up your cross daily.

I trust in Christ to save me and give me victory over the flesh and the world and the devil. As I live in FAITH he works in me and I am made the righteousness of God in HIm.

this is my gospel I believe and teach and preach

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"(1 Cor 15:1-4 KJV)

 

[RDKirk]

How do you know Judas was saved?

And scripture says Judas was a devil and also that devils don't cast out devils, so how do we know that Judas actually cast out any demons himself?

 

[RDKirk]

A twist you will be responsible for teaching others, so can we get into how biblical that is? Do you not have free will? Jesus will hold on to you even if you choose to let go? Can you prove that with scripture?

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

 

[Sammy-San]

it affects those who are give a false peace of false security in unbelief and sin. They think all is well and when they stand before God they may hear "away from me all ye that work iniquity"

it can be very dangerous to walk in the flesh.

1 John 3:5-10 show the difference

What if somebody forgets certain sins they did?

 

[LoveofTruth]

Every christian finds themselves walking according to the flesh...or do you say you walk a perfect Christ walking life? Do you? You're false "can lose salvation gospel" condemns you..as you like all other believers find themselves walking after the flesh.

Your saved by mercy...maintained by what you do gospel is false. Stop preaching it.

It is not by what I do, but what Christ did and does in me. I receive him and believe and continue in the faith abiding in him. I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me.

I know these words of Paul trouble many

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."(Romans 8:1 KJV)

and Johns words

but they are true and for our exhortation and learning and to give sound doctrine. Some just misunderstand them. We are to walk every day every minute in Christ. Never do we read that we can and should walk outside of faith. We are to bring every thought to captivity of Christ. EVERY thought. Yes that is in scripture. EVERY thought. And whatsoever we do in word or deed to do all in the name of Jesus Christ.

"5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."(1 John 3:5-10 KJV)

 

[LoveofTruth]

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

none of them ( that the father gave him including Judas) is lost but the son of perdition ( Judas). Jesus told them that they were belonging to the Father and he gave them to jesus. Even before they met Jesus they belonged to the Father Judas included.

then read Matthew 10 where Judas was called a sheep by Jesus sent to the LOST sheep. He was ordained of Jesus sent by Jesus given power by Jesus to cast out devils, etc , he belonged to jesus and was an apostle sent by Jesus. then he fell by transgression and was lost.

 

[LoveofTruth]

What if somebody forgets certain sins they did?

there is a general sense of confessing all sin and a specific one where God shows you specific things to deal with. Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors

David asked for forgiveness for secret sins, or sins he was not aware of.