Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?

[Kenny'sID]

Your salvation has nothing to do with you. It is all God. Your walk...different story.

Read the passage about the Sheep and the Goats and see if their salvation didn't have something to do with what they "do". It's straight from the mouth of Christ, and about as non complicated as it can possibly be. The only way one can not get it, is if they choose not to. Matthew 25:31–46

 

[Ron Gurley]

God spiritually views all in 2 categories:
1. Believers = saved
2. UNBelievers = UNsaved
Believers have spiritual Eternal Security of their salvation.
UNBelievers do NOT!

2 Corinthians 6:14-15...Paul: to fellow believers/saved
Do not be bound together(unequally yoked) with unbelievers;
for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or
what fellowship has light with darkness?
Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or
what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

 

[-57]

Read the passage about the Sheep and the Goats and see if their salvation didn't have something to do with what they "do". It's straight from the mouth of Christ, and about as non complicated as it can possibly be. The only way one can not get it, is if they choose not to. Matthew 25:31–46

I didn't see it. Perhaps you should present it and explain it. Simply suggesting it...doesn't explain much...especially considering your developing a history of taking scripture out of context.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Q: Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?

FROM (some) definitions posted in the OP,
yes,
but ONLY if the BELIEVERS do not lose their free will (ability to choose who to follow).

If they do lose their free will to choose,
then no, they cannot change nor lose the position they are in at any time.

 

[Geralt]

"Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?"
- depends on who gained it.

 

[-57]

you may want to read my post here

Judas was once saved and lost it...

Right off the bat I find fault with your Judas example. You seem to say because Judas cast out demons he was saved.

We'll...how about these people?
Matt 7:22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you;depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

[-57]

"Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?"
- depends on who gained it.

What do you mean by who gained it?

 

[Kenny'sID]

I did. And it was full of bad handling of Scripture. It also ignores the question of why Christ needed to die if people could be saved before he was crucified.

Are you saying people could not be saved before Christ was crucified?

 

[-57]

Are you saying people could not be saved before Christ was crucified?

This question is mainly for Ron Gurley, Ron, do you think an Old Testament "saint" could lose their salvation?

 

[LoveofTruth]

Is it really referring to salvation? You said it is clear....I think not.

If I walk away from the vine...I won't get nourished.

You will die according to Jesus and withered and be cast into the fire and burned

Also you would not be IN CHRIST

 

[LoveofTruth]

I don't think you know what the word ETERNAL means. If you have eternal life..that means eternal. Forever. Not a temporary eternal life. John 3:16 proclaims ETERNAL life for the believers.

As to your post on Judas..I haven't read it yet.

Hello again,

Let's pray that we discuss these serious matters in love and peace I only hope the best

But about eternal life being Jesus Christ scripture says

" 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us "(1 John 1:1,2 KJV)

And we read

"... we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal "(1 John 5:20 KJV)

 

[-57]

You will die according to Jesus and withered and be cast into the fire and burned

Also you would not be IN CHRIST

You do understand there are two judgements?
1)White Throne (for unbelievers)
2) Judgement seat of Christ ..Bema seat...(for believers.)

 

[Kenny'sID]

I didn't see it. Perhaps you should present it and explain it. Simply suggesting it...doesn't explain much...especially considering your developing a history of taking scripture out of context.

You didn't see it? Then click on the link, or if you didn't see that, takes seconds to google. Between that and you want someone who you feel takes scripture out of context to explain it to you, tells me, with little doubt, you are evading/stalling...don't wan to see or understand it. Wow.

Just read the scripture, it isn't that big a chore. Since I "take scripture out of context" you tell me if I'm wrong...fair enough?

 

[LoveofTruth]

This question is mainly for Ron Gurley, Ron, do you think an Old Testament "saint" could lose their salvation?

The OT saints were saved and born again and could lose it as we read

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. "(Ezekiel 18:24 KJV)

And David had to repent of his sin and he knew there was a danger of ring cast away from God, psalm 51

 

[aiki]

Are you saying people could not be saved before Christ was crucified?

Not in the way people are saved post-Calvary. How could they be? And if they could be, why, then, couldn't we all?

Selah.

 

[-57]

Hello again,

Let's pray that we discuss these serious matters in love and peace I only hope the best

But about eternal life being Jesus Christ scripture says

" 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us "(1 John 1:1,2 KJV)

And we read

"... we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal "(1 John 5:20 KJV)

I'm not quite sure what your getting at, but I do understand the following:
John 10: 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

...If I'm saved, I'm in the hand of God. NOTHING can remove me. Are you not comforted by that..or are you in fear of losing your salvation?

 

[Kenny'sID]

No one seeks the truth..none is good.
God must give you the truth.

What do you think the following is referring to? A lost TV remote?

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

I seek truth all the time...where are you getting this stuff from?

 

[-57]

You didn't see it? Then click on the link, or if you didn't see that, takes seconds to google. Between that and you want someone who you feel takes scripture out of context to explain it to you, tells me, with little doubt, you are evading/stalling...don't wan to see or understand it. Wow.

Just read the scripture, it isn't that big a chore. Since I "take scripture out of context" you tell me if I'm wrong...fair enough?

Stop playing dodge ball. Present it or retract it.

 

[-57]

What do you think the following is referring to? A lost TV remote?

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

I seek truth all the time...where are you getting this stuff from?

So, either you found a biblical contradiction...or you misinterpreted the bible. Which is it?

 

[LoveofTruth]

Do you not know that everytime you sin you sin willfully?

According to your theology tou lose your salvation everytime you sin.

No we read of sins of ignorance in scripture and to him that knoweth to do good and does it not to him it is sin

Many believers were ignorant of many things Paul would rebuke them at times saying things like "know ye not that the unrighteousness shall not inherit the kingdom of God ..,