Since animals and man ate plants in Genesis 1, how does that fit theistic evolution?

[Aman777]

Thing is, books that would go in the Bible were decided over centuries. That verse was placed when the New Testament was still being written, so we can't say that all of the New Testament was "100% God-breathed" because it was wasn't compiled yet.

Amen. It shows a Miracle from God for He knew what would be written BEFORE it was written. Our God is an Awesome God.

*** Plus, take the book of Enoch: it was mentioned at one point in the Bible, so one would think it would be "God-breathed Scripture" in that case, but the Book of Enoch itself is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

Another Miracle is indicated since God placed the Books of the Bible He wanted us to know even though some man thought it included Enoch.

*** Did the people of the day think the Book o Enoch was inspired by God but they were wrong?

The holy men who penned the words the Holy Spirit moved them to write, did NOT know what all the words meant. A good example is the Scriptural FACT that God made THREE Heavens instead of one. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4

*** Did those who compiled the Bible manipulate things? Plus the only reason we have four Gospels is because a bishop in 180 AD liked the number 4. What about the other 60 or so Gospels that were in circulation? Were they not God-breathed? How can we tell which ones were inspired by God and which were not? How can we be sure any of them are?

Good question. God wrote the entire HISTORY of His perfect Creation in the FIRST chapter of Genesis. He included events which have NOT yet taken place at the end of the present SIXTH Day/Age. These events happen AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon because we currently live at Gen 1:27 and Gen 1:28-31 is PROPHECY of events of the last days before our world is burned.

Since Genesis One contains ALL of the events of God's work of creating a perfect Heaven and filling it with perfect people, it's an OUTLINE of ALL of the rest of the Bible. When you understand Genesis One, you understand the entire Bible, which was God breathed to those who wrote the words.

*** Not to mention saying that something is true just because it says it is is circular reasoning.

Circular reasoning is the mark of an Evolutionist. They THINK that evolution is true and if you don't believe them, they will tell you of another evolutionist who agrees with them. That's circular reasoning. I have the Word of God, which agrees in every way with every discovery of mankind IF you understand Genesis chapter one. It's a key to the Kingdom of God, thanks to Jesus.

 

[Colter]

Not so since Genesis chapter one is currently being confirmed by the discoveries of Science and History, as we speak. God told us that He would pour out His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) on ALL flesh, in the last days.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:

All flesh includes evolutionists, scientists, scoffers, etc. Can you tell us HOW God is delivering His Truth to us today, in these last days? God hid His Truth in the discoveries of Science which are currently taking place. Only God knew the discoveries being made today more than 3k years ago and wrote it all in Genesis Chapter one. It's PROOF of God. God Bless you

The creation story of Genesis was a creation of the Israelites. It contains some truths but is not a true account of creation.

 

[Aman777]

The creation story of Genesis was a creation of the Israelites. It contains some truths but is not a true account of creation.

The traditional creation story was the thinking of ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science. They could NOT understand the words of Genesis One because God wrote those words to be understood ONLY by the people of the last days AFTER knowledge has increased. It's HOW God is currently delivering His Truth to the people of today just before Jesus returns. Daniel 12:4

 

[Colter]

The traditional creation story was the thinking of ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science. They could NOT understand the words of Genesis One because God wrote those words to be understood ONLY by the people of the last days AFTER knowledge has increased. It's HOW God is currently delivering His Truth to the people of today just before Jesus returns. Daniel 12:4

Actually, Genesis was written for the child like mind of Bronze Age sheepherder types of Israelite. It's simple and fear inspiring. There isn't any mystery or hidden stuff. Jesus will only return for a visit and it will likely coincide with the world reaching the age of Light and Life thousands of years from now. The earth is mans brief home and Jesus' place is at the right hand of God.

 

[expos4ever]

Circular reasoning is the mark of an Evolutionist. They THINK that evolution is true and if you don't believe them, they will tell you of another evolutionist who agrees with them. That's circular reasoning.

Circular reasoning occurs when someone assumes the thing they are supposed to be proving, and inserts that assumption into their argument. What you describe is not this.

Evolution does not involve circular reasoning. Yes, proponents of evolution will invoke the strong scientific consensus about evolution when discussing the subject in attempt to sway the listener. However, this a legitimate move precisely because of the complexity of the issue. It is nigh on impossible for an expert in evolution to make a substantial for the correctness of evolutionary theory to the common schmoe like you and me. When someone appeals to the widespread - basically universal - agreement among appropriately trained experts that evolution is fact, they are basically making this argument by implication:

1. Evolutionary science is complex - you need to be an expert to understand why it fits the facts so well;
2. Science itself is a robust and reliable institution - you can trust the findings of scientists, not least because the scientific method itself places a high premium on rigorous skepticism and the requirement for evidential support;
3. The almost universal agreement of scientists about evolution is a powerful reason to accept it as fact.

 

[Aman777]

Actually, Genesis was written for the child like mind of Bronze Age sheepherder types of Israelite. It's simple and fear inspiring. There isn't any mystery or hidden stuff. Jesus will only return for a visit and it will likely coincide with the world reaching the age of Light and Life thousands of years from now. The earth is mans brief home and Jesus' place is at the right hand of God.

Does God have a right hand? No. Jesus IS the right hand of God, the invisible Spirit. The traditional religious interpretation is what you speak about. It is NOT what is actually written. God hid His Truth in the future discoveries of Science which are just now being announced. It's empirical (testable) proof of God since ONLY God could have known what our scientists are discovering today. Your view is that of ancient men who could NOT understand Genesis. Looks like they've passed their superstitious view to you?

 

[Aman777]

Circular reasoning occurs when someone assumes the thing they are supposed to be proving, and inserts that assumption into their argument. What you describe is not this.

Sure it is, since NO evolutionist can show us the process of changing animal intelligence (prehistoric man's) into Human intelligence. The assumption is False since Adam was made BEFORE any other living creature Gen 2:7 with a mind like God's. Gen 3:22 The only way to inherit God's superior intelligence is to be born Human. (descendant of Adam)

*** Evolution does not involve circular reasoning. Yes, proponents of evolution will invoke the strong scientific consensus about evolution when discussing the subject in attempt to sway the listener. However, this a legitimate move precisely because of the complexity of the issue. It is nigh on impossible for an expert in evolution to make a substantial for the correctness of evolutionary theory to the common schmoe like you and me. When someone appeals to the widespread - basically universal - agreement among appropriately trained experts that evolution is fact, they are basically making this argument by implication:

1. Evolutionary science is complex - you need to be an expert to understand why it fits the facts so well;

What is wrong is that Evolutionists have falsely ASSUMED that life began on Planet Earth. They forgot about the flood which TOTALLY DESTROYED Adam's world/firmament/Universe. ll Peter 3:6 God, Who is much more intelligent than ANY man or group of men calls them the Scoffers of the last days. ll Peter 3:3 It's because many of them THINK that they know more than God.

*** 2. Science itself is a robust and reliable institution - you can trust the findings of scientists, not least because the scientific method itself places a high premium on rigorous skepticism and the requirement for evidential support;
3. The almost universal agreement of scientists about evolution is a powerful reason to accept it as fact.

Trying to convince us that Science is infallible is useless. ONLY God is infallible. Can you tell us of the Magic which changed the first prehistoric man into a Human? God does and even names him. God Bless you

 

[Colter]

Does God have a right hand? No. Jesus IS the right hand of God, the invisible Spirit. The traditional religious interpretation is what you speak about. It is NOT what is actually written. God hid His Truth in the future discoveries of Science which are just now being announced. It's empirical (testable) proof of God since ONLY God could have known what our scientists are discovering today. Your view is that of ancient men who could NOT understand Genesis. Looks like they've passed their superstitious view to you?

Its not unusual for people who realize that Genesis is wrong as it is written to come up with new special hidden meanings from between the lines so they can still be a part of the club.

Jesus is the Son of God, the creator of this world. Genesis was one of many creation stories of Mesopotamia. When the Jews were in Babylon they wrote the narrative in ignorance. There is a long history that predates the arrival of Adam and Eve. Science has been divulging the evolutionary history of the earth. Men of faith wrote the Bible books.

 

[JackRT]

Adam was made BEFORE any other living creature Gen 2:7

And yet Genesis 1, which was composed about 100 years after Genesis 2ff, has Adam and Eve created at the same time AFTER every other living creature.

 

[CrystalDragon]

And yet Genesis 1, which was composed about 100 years after Genesis 2ff, has Adam and Eve created at the same time AFTER every other living creature.

Curious, if Genesis 2 was made before Genesis 1, why not call Genesis 2 Genesis 1 and vice-versa?

 

[JackRT]

Curious, if Genesis 2 was made before Genesis 1, why not call Genesis 2 Genesis 1 and vice-versa?

Because Genesis is a cut-and-paste job that was done some 300 years after Genesis 1. I am not privy to why the editor chose that particular order.

 

[expos4ever]

Sure it is, since NO evolutionist can show us the process of changing animal intelligence (prehistoric man's) into Human intelligence.

Whether what you claim here is true or not, this is not an example of circular reasoning. From Wikipedia:

Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving";[1] also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.

The assumption is False since Adam was made BEFORE any other living creature Gen 2:7 with a mind like God's.

Surely you must know that evolution would deny this.

TWhat is wrong is that Evolutionists have falsely ASSUMED that life began on Planet Earth.

They have assumed no such thing. Evolutionists make no assumptions about the origins of "life".

 

[Aman777]

Its not unusual for people who realize that Genesis is wrong as it is written to come up with new special hidden meanings from between the lines so they can still be a part of the club.

My view is different. I show that we are just now confirming what God told us more than 3k years ago in Genesis chapter One. You don't have to believe anything since the proper understanding of the first chapter of the Bible is easily understood by Evolutionists, Agnostics and Atheists, with the ability to read.

*** Jesus is the Son of God, the creator of this world. Genesis was one of many creation stories of Mesopotamia. When the Jews were in Babylon they wrote the narrative in ignorance. There is a long history that predates the arrival of Adam and Eve. Science has been divulging the evolutionary history of the earth. Men of faith wrote the Bible books.

Correction, The Holy Spirit is the Author of ALL Scripture. He "moved" the men who penned the words to write His Truth in the discoveries of Science in the last days. Only people with "increased knowledge" who live in the last days, can possibly understand.

Dan 12:4 ¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the Book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

God is currently pouring out His Spirit of Truth, in the last days, through the discoveries of men. Scientists will be able to confirm their ideas with Genesis. A good example is this Scientific Fact which agrees with Gen 1:21 that "every living creature that moveth" had it's origin in WATER.
www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-..Jul 26, 2016 -God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

And yet Genesis 1, which was composed about 100 years after Genesis 2ff, has Adam and Eve created at the same time AFTER every other living creature.

Amen, but Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day by Lord God or Jesus. Gen 2:7 Adam was not"created" by God the Trinity Spiritually, until the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 This was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2

Adam was born again Spiritually or "created" by the Trinity Spiritually. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 Like ALL men he had to be born Spiritually in order to inherit the Kingdom of God.

BTW, God sees the end from the beginning. Isa 46:10 This means that it matters not when God's Truth was written since God knew the end, first. That's WHY Gen 1:28-31 is NOT History, but Prophecy. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Curious, if Genesis 2 was made before Genesis 1, why not call Genesis 2 Genesis 1 and vice-versa?

It's because Genesis Chapter One is the entire History of God's 6 Day/Age Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. God wrote this History more than 3k years ago but the events of the last days are just now being confirmed by Science, which will allow EVERYONE to see that ONLY God could have written Genesis chapter 1. It's the key to the rest of the Bible. God bless you

 

[Aman777]

Whether what you claim here is true or not, this is not an example of circular reasoning. From Wikipedia:

Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving";[1] also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.

Surely you must know that evolution would deny this.

They have assumed no such thing. Evolutionists make no assumptions about the origins of "life".

Sure they do. They falsely teach innocent children that humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, which is a half truth of the ToE. This degrades their heritage and falsely teaches that man is nothing more than an evolved animal. Being UNABLE to tell us How or When man changed from animal to Human intelligence, they hide in the eons of time and magical genetic changes to TRY to get us to believe their false views.

Can you tell us WHY we have the intelligence of God Gen 3:22 AND the DNA of mitochondrial Eve within our blood? God does.

 

[Colter]

My view is different. I show that we are just now confirming what God told us more than 3k years ago in Genesis chapter One. You don't have to believe anything since the proper understanding of the first chapter of the Bible is easily understood by Evolutionists, Agnostics and Atheists, with the ability to read.

*** Jesus is the Son of God, the creator of this world. Genesis was one of many creation stories of Mesopotamia. When the Jews were in Babylon they wrote the narrative in ignorance. There is a long history that predates the arrival of Adam and Eve. Science has been divulging the evolutionary history of the earth. Men of faith wrote the Bible books.

Correction, The Holy Spirit is the Author of ALL Scripture. He "moved" the men who penned the words to write His Truth in the discoveries of Science in the last days. Only people with "increased knowledge" who live in the last days, can possibly understand.

Dan 12:4 ¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the Book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

God is currently pouring out His Spirit of Truth, in the last days, through the discoveries of men. Scientists will be able to confirm their ideas with Genesis. A good example is this Scientific Fact which agrees with Gen 1:21 that "every living creature that moveth" had it's origin in WATER.
www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-..Jul 26, 2016 -God Bless you

No, science isn't using Genesis to confirm anything, you are reaching, stretching, hoping, but that's not what the Gen 1:21 says. It says God created the things in the water like whales and also the birds.

 

[Colter]

Sure they do. They falsely teach innocent children that humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, which is a half truth of the ToE. This degrades their heritage and falsely teaches that man is nothing more than an evolved animal. Being UNABLE to tell us How or When man changed from animal to Human intelligence, they hide in the eons of time and magical genetic changes to TRY to get us to believe their false views.

Can you tell us WHY we have the intelligence of God Gen 3:22 AND the DNA of mitochondrial Eve within our blood? God does.

Not true, once will conscious man "suddenly mutated" from primates, such a being could know God and be saved. The proof of evolution is in the earth.

 

[Aman777]

No, science isn't using Genesis to confirm anything, you are reaching, stretching, hoping, but that's not what the Gen 1:21 says. It says God created the things in the water like whales and also the birds.

Here is the verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Scripturally, whales birds and every living creature that moves came forth from what Science labels "natural". Science and Scripture AGREE.

Scientifically, we discovered the SAME thing less than a year ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/science/last-universal-ancestor.html

ONLY God knew and wrote this to agree with the discoveries of men in the last days, thousands of years ago. It's proof of God which He told us He would give to "ALL FLESH" including unbelievers evolutionists and to ALL flesh, thousands of years ago. Joe 2:28 Act 2:17

 

[JackRT]

Here is the verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Scripturally, whales birds and every living creature that moves came forth from what Science labels "natural". Science and Scripture AGREE.

Scientifically, we discovered the SAME thing less than a year ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/science/last-universal-ancestor.html

ONLY God knew and wrote this to agree with the discoveries of men in the last days, thousands of years ago. It's proof of God which He told us He would give to "ALL FLESH" including unbelievers evolutionists and to ALL flesh, thousands of years ago. Joe 2:28 Act 2:17

Genesis 1:2i says that God created each living creature individually rather than a common ancestor. The two sources in your post are saying two different things.