Bottleneck Theory vs The Flood vs The Tribe of Benjamin

[miknik5]

I've never seen you give a straight answer. But you are an excellent tap dancer.

I take from your post that you think god was wrong in commanding the genocide of the Midianites and Amalekites and I am glad should you feel that way.

Nope your take is wrong

 

[dmmesdale]

2 wrongs make a right?

Wrong relative to what?

And every single one of them was evil?

Evil relative to what? To suppose evil is to suppose good and to suppose good is to argue for God? Beisdes all that all you are demonstrating is appeals to outrage, not logic.

Including the infant boys?

Name some ancient cultures which did not practive some form of infanticide. From wiki. ''Anthropologist Laila Williamson notes that "Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunter gatherers to high civilizations, including our own ancestors. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule."[6]:61

And how does that justify slavery?

Are you assuming a moral absolute which transcends humanity? Based on what?

32,000 girls who have never slept with a man were kept as slaves.

And were the animals sinning too? What did the Oxs and sheeps did to offend God?
"From man unto woman, from infant unto suckling, from ox unto sheep, so that the name of Amalek not be mentioned even with reference to an animal by saying "This animal belonged to Amalek" "

In ancient warfare they sometimes slaughtered everything. So? What you have here is appeals to outrage. They were doing what they deemed right so on what objective basis to you assume wrong? Enslaving was considered merciful.

 

[Skreeper]

Nope your take is wrong

Well that happens when you never give a straight answer, I just have to assume your position.
So can you explain to me why the commandment to kill innocents was good?

 

[miknik5]

Skreeper

You're going to have to do your homework

What did you think Jeremiah 31 was talking about?

Those not born of HIS SPIRIT run the risk of misrepresenting HIS SPIRIT

Remember this

Not by power or by might but by MY SPIRIT

That is, If you know of whose SPIRIT you are of

 

[Skreeper]

Skreeper

You're going to have to do your homework

What did you think Jeremiah 31 was talking about?

Those not born of HIS SPIRIT run the risk of misrepresenting HIS SPIRIT

Remember this

Not by power or by might but by MY SPIRIT

That is, If you know of whose SPIRIT you are of

Good job. Even Neo can't dodge as well as you can!

 

[sfs]

I take it that this thread is not actually about bottleneck theory.

 

[JD16]

Wrong relative to what?

The question was a simple one, is it justified? But you already knew that, being deliberately obtuse does not help your case

Evil relative to what? To suppose evil is to suppose good and to suppose good is to argue for God? Beisdes all that all you are demonstrating is appeals to outrage, not logic.

Seriously? What do you mean evil compared to what? The killing of innocent infants is not cause for outrage? How is that not logical? Don't play word games...God commanded so, therefor its good? Ohhh please,...lets not go there

Name some ancient cultures which did not practive some form of infanticide.

Tu quoque - Wikipedia

Comprendre?

Are you assuming a moral absolute which transcends humanity? Based on what?

I'm assuming nothing, and by the very fact that you try to justify slavery makes me sick

ancient warfare they sometimes slaughtered everything. So? What you have here is appeals to outrage. They were doing what they deemed right so on what objective basis to you assume wrong?

Again I appeal to nothing, its a simple question, what is the cause for that and how is that justified,....stop dancing around and answer straight up, or admit that the actions were nothing more than a product of a sick twisted mind

 

[JD16]

I take it that this thread is not actually about bottleneck theory.

Thats over and done with,...its Q&A time

 

[dmmesdale]

What Science? Every legitimate field that does not try to mix mythology into its process,

Life from nonlife and its predecessor unguided evo is creating mythology.

and yes I'm talking about the daycare centre more commonly known as the Discovery Institute where Theist play pretend 'scientist'.

Opinion.

And what do you mean by internet Atheist? Are they any different from Atheist that are not found on the internet?

Yup. At least the ones i know.

And you have it mixed up there buddy,

Buddy?

its creationist that tries desperately to justify their creation myths by coming up with nonsensical pseudo crap like ID, get your facts straight.

I am not going thru all your links by cheerleaders and true believers. It is my contention modern discoveries like penicillin and the double helix owe zero to unguided evo and abio (all life from nonlife). Once again, you failed to directly address my contention and ignored my example.

SCIENCE, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

I speak English.

Again which part of 'the bible is irrelevant to the progress of science' do you not understand?

Don't buy it. What you demonstrate is ignorance. I provided the health science implications and you ignored. Why is Ezek bread sold in health food stores if the ancients did not know anything? It was not the ancients who believed sperm contained little men? If so then prove it.

Besides looney bins like Michael Behe, do you know of any real scientist that goes,....hmmmmm, whats does the bible say about evolution?

You know the overall tone of your posts demonstrate an extreme hostility. What are you doing on a Christian site? Besides ranting?

 

[JD16]

Life from nonlife and its predecessor unguided evo is creating mythology. Opinion. Yup. At least the ones i know. Buddy? I am not going thru all your links by cheerleaders and true believers. It is my contention modern discoveries like penicillin and the double helix owe zero to unguided evo and abio (all life from nonlife). Once again, you failed to directly address my contention and ignored my example.



I speak English.

Don't buy it. What you demonstrate is ignorance. I provided the health science implications and you ignored. Why is Ezek bread sold in health food stores if the ancients did not know anything? It was not the ancient who believed sperm contained little men? If so then prove it. You know the overall tone of your posts demonstrate an extreme hostility. What are you doing on a Christian site? Besides ranting?

I'm going to graciously pretend that I didn't see this

 

[Skreeper]

Life from nonlife and its predecessor unguided evo is creating mythology.

Evolution is a fact. The Theory of evolution explains that fact. Before criticizing a scientific field you should at least learn the basics.

Opinion.

It's demonstrable. That makes it a fact, not an opinion.

 

[dmmesdale]

The question was a simple one, is it justified?

It was justified to them. Who are you to assume they were wrong and on what objective basis?

Wth do you mean evil compared to what? The killing of innocent infants is not cause for outrage? How is that not logical? Don't play word games...God commanded so, therefor its good? Ohhh please,...lets not go there

You don't believe in God so how is their justification evil? That being if it made sense to them?

I'm assuming nothing, and by the very fact that you try to justify slavery makes me sick

Is that a logic argument or another appeal to outrage? On what objective basis were they wrong?

 

[JD16]

It was justified to them. Who are you to assume they were wrong and on what objective basis?
You don't believe in God so how is their justification evil? That being if it made sense to them?
Is that a logic argument or another appeal to outrage? On what objective basis were they wrong?

Here, enjoy!

 

[dmmesdale]

I'm going to graciously pretend that I didn't see this

Do what you do best.

 

[JD16]

Do what you do best.

 

[Skreeper]

It was justified to them. Who are you to assume they were wrong and on what objective basis?

Do you care about the well being of humans? If the answer is yes then we both have a objective basis for our morality.
People who would answer no usually end up in prison.

You don't believe in God so how is their justification evil? That being if it made sense to them?

It is evil because no one wants to live in a society where the killing of innocents is considered good and just.

 

[miknik5]

All men were created in the image of God and will experience Eternal Life. However, the flesh of man born of Satan will perish during this temporary generation. Unspiritual men do not understand this fact.

Who is teaching the TRUE things of GOD?


Those born of HIS SPIRIT?

Or those not born of HIS SPIRIT?

Do you think HE was right when
HE said Ye must be born again?

 

[miknik5]

2 wrongs make a right? And every single one of them was evil? Including the infant boys? And how does that justify slavery? 32,000 girls who have never slept with a man were kept as slaves.

And were the animals sinning too? What did the Oxs and sheeps do to offend God?
"From man unto woman, from infant unto suckling, from ox unto sheep, so that the name of Amalek not be mentioned even with reference to an animal by saying "This animal belonged to Amalek" "

GOD makes a distinction between HIS flock and that "other fathers" flock


HE always did

Even from the first Passover

In the end two kingdoms/houses are being built up and these two kingdoms/houses will not be joined

You'll have to decide which house you choose to serve

 

[JD16]

GOD makes a distinction between HIS flock and that "other fathers" flock


HE always did

Even from the first Passover

In the end two kingdoms/houses are being built up and these two kingdoms/houses will not be joined

You'll have to decide which house you choose to serve

miknik5,

You seems like a nice person, but that kinda thinking is exactly what ISIS does,.....They are infidels! They are not worthy to live, whatever we do to them is justified in the name of Allah! And tbh, that is the reason why bloodshed between religious groups will never end. I really hope you do understand what I'm trying to say....

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. - Wikipedia.

 

[miknik5]

miknik5,

You seems like a nice person, but that kinda thinking is exactly what ISIS does,.....They are infidels! They are not worthy to live, whatever we do to them is justified in the name of Allah! And tbh, that is the reason why bloodshed between religious groups will never end. I really hope you do understand what I'm trying to say....

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. - Wikipedia.

I don't know what to tell you
In the end many will rise up thinking they are in service to GOD but by what they do, they will mske manifest that they do not know their GOD