Question on Noah's Ark

[Daniel Marsh]

It's called a genetic bottleneck and it is already apparant when population sizes drop to a few thousand individuals. It would be EXTREMELY apparant if it drops to a mere 8 - when 3 of which are even siblings.

Biologically/genetically/physically... they couldn't. Evolution can't accomplish that in such a short period of time.

If you are going to assume that evolution is true as well as that the mythical flood happened... Then you are talking about a speed rate of evolution that is thousands of times faster then what is currently understood, observed and what ALL the evidence suggests.
A rate SO fast, that we would have to see no less then about 16 new species every single day, from the time of Noah till today.

Even "rapid" or "accelerated" evolution in punctuated equilibrium, like what happened during the cambrian explosion, still requires geological timeframes of millions of years.
So... just about ALL data that we know about, suggests that your assumption is about as wrong as can be... It's a margin of error similar to saying that the US is only a few feet long from coast to coast.



Which is about as ignorant as it gets.



Or... alternatively... you could just follow the evidence, which shows how a worldview including a global flood and MASSIVE population reduction in ALL living things only a few millenia ago, is about as untenable as claiming that the earth is flat or that the sun orbits the earth instead of the other way round....





Riiiiight.



A local flood would also have no need for any supernatural shenannigans. As local floods happen all the time quite naturally.

The personal attacks show me you really have not proved anything at all.

Have you read
Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History Paperback – January 25, 2000
by William Ryan (Author), Walter Pitman (Author)????

 

[Daniel Marsh]

You don't see the Bible being sold in the FICTION section, do you?

Creation/Evolution JournalIssue 11 (Winter 1983)The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark
The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark


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[JD16]

Creation/Evolution JournalIssue 11 (Winter 1983)The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark
The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark


Hide Creation Evolution Journal
Title:
The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark
Author(s):
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Volume:
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Year:
1983
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And what has that got to do with the bible classified under fiction or not Mr 170 IQ?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I still don't see how 8 people can equal the world population as it is today unless they were rabbits.

Creationists, Population Growth, Bunnies, and the Great Pyramid
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[JD16]

I still don't see how 8 people can equal the world population as it is today unless they were rabbits.

Creationists, Population Growth, Bunnies, and the Great Pyramid
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Not even supercharged bionic rabbits are able to do that, the lack of genetic diversity would essentially guarantee that the human race would have been wiped out long ago....

 

[Daniel Marsh]

YEC interpretation is not equal to the Bible.

I see YEC as unproven and fiction.

The Vapor Canopy Hypothesis Holds No Water
By Paul Farrar The Vapor Canopy Hypothesis Holds No Water

 

[HitchSlap]

YEC interpretation is not equal to the Bible.

I see YEC as unproven and fiction.

The Vapor Canopy Hypothesis Holds No Water
By Paul Farrar The Vapor Canopy Hypothesis Holds No Water

Indeed. There's even a resident poster who blathers on about the "ark" ending up in New Jersey, and the flood waters being funneled to Uranus.

 

[JD16]

Indeed. There's even a resident poster who blathers on about the "ark" ending up in New Jersey, and the flood waters being funneled to Uranus.

mental gymnastics world champion

 

[JackRT]

Indeed. There's even a resident poster who blathers on about the "ark" ending up in New Jersey, and the flood waters being funneled to Uranus.

to Uranus?? sort of like a colonic rinse?

 

[HitchSlap]

to Uranus?? sort of like a colonic rinse?

If you like?

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed. There's even a resident poster who blathers on about the "ark" ending up in New Jersey,

He talks about the Ark starting in New Jersey.

... and the flood waters being funneled to Uranus.

Neptune.

 

[Goonie]

He talks about the Ark starting in New Jersey.Neptune.

Thank you AV for brightening my day

 

[AV1611VET]

Thank you AV for brightening my day

LOL

You're quite welcome!

 

[dad]

To avoid the funneling effect, it would take multiple humans or whatever within a species to gain all that is needed in the first place to reproduce without serious problems. In fact, I think I once heard the same objection raised for Noah's Ark. That being the limit of people on the Ark would cause a funneling effect of DNA. I do not remember the technical term.

The technical term is often illustrated by a bottleneck of too many people trying to go through the same line or door at the same time at a store.

So, how did the limited number of people on Noah's Ark create enough variation to account for the many variations in the human race scientifically speaking?

This question is assuming evolution is true, and that there was not a special creation which would have all the genes or DNA necessary to produce all the types of dogs that exists today.

Young Earth Creationists would often answer this question by claiming that one pair of dogs on the Ark had all the kinds or types of dogs in their DNA or genes.

Personally, I simply admit that I do not have an answer. And, this is one of the many questions, I have put on the back burner to ask God about when I get to heaven. Since, my mere 170 IQ is no where near that of God, I have no problem waiting for him to answer when I get there.

Note: A local flood position would not have this problem since other humans and animals could survive where there was not a local flood.

Simple answer. There was no modern DNA that we know about in that former nature! Adam and Noah and family could mate with family. That is evidence genetics were not the same! Not only that they lived about 1000 years.

 

[Jimmy D]

Simple answer. There was no modern DNA that we know about in that former nature! Adam and Noah and family could mate with family. That is evidence genetics were not the same! Not only that they lived about 1000 years.

Well, I'm convinced.

 

[The Stamp]

Thank you AV for brightening my day

And mine, creationism is always good for a laugh if nothing else.

 

[Goonie]

And mine, creationism is always good for a laugh if nothing else.

True, where else do you hear that Noah started in New Jersey, and the flood waters went to Neptune

 

[AV1611VET]

True, where else do you hear that Noah started in New Jersey, and the flood waters went to Neptune

The same place you hear Noah started in Mesopotamia, and the flood waters ended up in the Black Sea?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Was this claim tested?

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What do you think that blessing came in the form of?

Hint: Octomom would have been envious.

Sure, you can test that.
It predicts an extreme genetic bottleneck in homo sapiens.
The bottleneck doesn't exist.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The personal attacks show me you really have not proved anything at all.

There isn't a single "personal attack" in my post.
I explained every point I made.

I suggest you address those points raised.

Have you read
Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History Paperback – January 25, 2000
by William Ryan (Author), Walter Pitman (Author)????

No.