Question on Noah's Ark

[Armoured]

And a lack of faith is similar to lacking the appropriate number of legs on a stool you try to sit on. You end up butt-hurt in the end when science cannot save you.

There's nothing wrong with my faith, and I don't look to science for salvation.

 

[Armoured]

Isn't that what scientists say the Bible says?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem is that the evidence shows that they event never happened. Not last century, not during the 6th dynasty, not ever.

Proving a negative, are they?

If it happened, at any time, there should be a universal genetic bottleneck.

And no plants either, right?

But there is no such bottleneck. Therefor, it never happened. It really is that easy.

I don't really understand what a bottleneck is ... and don't really care.

But for the record, I'm sure God could handle any roadblocks that came along.

 

[AV1611VET]

As I said... if you are going to make such unfounded assumptions, you might as well start arguing for Last Thursdayism.

I'll pass.

If these are the standards you are going to employ to justify belief, then you'll believe just about anything anyone's imagination can produce.

I'll pass.

That's fine off course... Believe whatever you wish.

I'll pass.

In such case though, obviously you don't care about rational justification for your beliefs.

I'll p... wait a minute ... I have Boolean standards that justify "my beliefs."

As for me, I'll shelve you in the tin-foil-hat category.

In that case, I should be easy to find, eh?

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

Then I'm Genghis Khan.

 

[JD16]

Proving a negative, are they?

It's actually searching for the evidence of a global flood and all the signs shows that no such event occurred,....from geology to genetics,...everything that should show up if a global flood did happened shows otherwise....

no plants either, right?

Not unless Noah had a seed bank on board the Ark,....which even the bible didn't mention IIRC

don't really understand what a bottleneck is ...

for the record, I'm sure God could handle any roadblocks that came along.

Come on,...the Goddidit answer can be used for any question rite?

 

[JD16]

Then I'm Genghis Khan.

 

[JoeP222w]

This question is assuming evolution is true

This is a fundamental failure of the question, since this is a false pre-supposition.

Note: A local flood position would not have this problem since other humans and animals could survive where there was not a local flood.

The local flood theory is complete bunk. Noah took about 120 years to build the Ark. In a period of 120 years, Noah and his family and all of the animals in that area could have certainly gotten out of the area, so there was have been absolutely no need to build an Ark.

 

[JD16]

The local flood theory is complete bunk. Noah took about 120 years to build the Ark. In a period of 120 years, Noah and his family and all of the animals in that area could have certainly gotten out of the area, so there was have been absolutely no need to build an Ark.

Well, If Noah did that, there would be no Ark story rite? And the purpose of the Ark story is God trying to make a point rite? According to the bible anyway...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Proving a negative, are they?

No. Refuting a positive claim.
The claim is that a flood happened wich reduced just about all populations to a mere handfull.
That claim can be tested. And when tested, the claim is shown to be false.

Therefor, what is claimed to have happened, didn't happen. Since it's false.

And no plants either, right?

Well... go submerge a tree for a year. See what happens.

I don't really understand what a bottleneck is

It concerns the amount of genetic variation in a population.
When 99% of a population is killed off and the remaining 1% goes on to repopulate the habitat, then 99% of the genetic variation is lost. The remaining 1%, is the bottleneck of variation.

... and don't really care.

I know you don't. As you said, you don't care about rational justification of your beliefs.
Maybe you should care.

But for the record, I'm sure God could handle any roadblocks that came along.

With magic, anything is possible.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In that case, I should be easy to find, eh?

Not really. It's a rather crowded shelve.

 

[Colter]

LOL

Where did that come from!?

Question: Does academia say that the Bible speaks of a flat earth, as well as heliocentric?

Christians held the view of a stationary earth which they derived from the scriptures, it was the scientific meathead that disproved it. Galileo was exiled by the inquisition for his findings.

Perhaps at some future time when Christians finally concedes the absurdity of the flood narrative, some apologist will also assert that Christians never believed in the flood story to begin with.

 

[JD16]

Let's put it this way: no evidence they're willing to accept.

I don't really understand what a bottleneck is ... and don't really care.

???

 

[lesliedellow]

It was probably dismantled to make Noah's homestead.

Jolly good. YECs can now desist from making repeated claims to have found it.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's actually searching for the evidence of a global flood and all the signs shows that no such event occurred,....from geology to genetics,...everything that should show up if a global flood did happened shows otherwise....

At the expense of sounding repetitive, they're not finding it because they don't have the proper starting point.

They are looking for a global flood on a planet they think is populated by Mesopotamians, Sumerians, Egyptians, and Chinese; then wondering why they can't find anything.

Not unless Noah had a seed bank on board the Ark,....which even the bible didn't mention IIRC.

Then where did this come from?

Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

It's clear to me that God re-floraled the earth in a moment of time; just like He floraled it during the creation week.

* image of bottleneck *

Thank you. That explains it.

Come on,...the Goddidit answer can be used for any question rite?

I suppose -- but the answer should fit the Scriptures whenever possible.

If not, then it should fit science, as long as it doesn't contradict the Scriptures.

My Boolean Standards:

1. If the Bible says X, and science says X -- go with X.
2. If the Bible says X, but science says Y -- go with X.
3. If the Bible is silent, but science says X -- go with X.

My Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is science to contradict the Scriptures.

 

[AV1611VET]

He needs to learn to capitalize his last name.

 

[AV1611VET]

Therefor, what is claimed to have happened, didn't happen.

Was this claim tested?

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

What do you think that blessing came in the form of?

Hint: Octomom would have been envious.

 

[AV1611VET]

Question: Does academia say that the Bible speaks of a flat earth, as well as heliocentrism?

Christians held the view of a stationary earth which they derived from the scriptures, it was the scientific meathead that disproved it. Galileo was exiled by the inquisition for his findings.

I asked about flat earth and a heliocentric earth -- not a stationary earth.

That's a different subject.

 

[AV1611VET]

Jolly good. YECs can now desist from making repeated claims to have found it.

No argument there.

 

[JD16]

At the expense of sounding repetitive, they're not finding it because they don't have the proper starting point.

They are looking for a global flood on a planet they think is populated by Mesopotamians, Sumerians, Egyptians, and Chinese; then wondering why they can't find anything.

But if God cleaned up the mess as you said, how can we use the bible as a starting point? How can we find anything when there is no trace of the global flood? So even if we did use the bible as the starting point, we would reach the same conclusion.....There was no global flood.

Then where did this come from?

Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

It's clear to me that God re-floraled the earth in a moment of time; just like He floraled it during the creation week.Thank you. That explains it.

You know thats a Goddidit answer rite? How does that prove anything?

I suppose -- but the answer should fit the Scriptures whenever possible.

If not, then it should fit science, as long as it doesn't contradict the Scriptures.

As long as Scripture doesn't contradict reality.....I have no objections

My Boolean Standards:

1. If the Bible says X, and science says X -- go with X.
2. If the Bible says X, but science says Y -- go with X.
3. If the Bible is silent, but science says X -- go with X.

My Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is science to contradict the Scriptures.

Isn't that doing exactly what you accused the scientist off? Refusing to accept the evidence, because it goes against your preconceived idea of what reality should be?