The Seventh Day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

[BobRyan]

All well and good. We are also told in 2Cor3 that the 10 commandments went away

No we weren't which means it is "STILL" wrong to take God's name in vain. As we both know.

And as I pointed out - this is a Bible detail so obvious that Bible scholars on both sides of the issue admit that the TEN commandments are STILL included in the moral law of God.

2 Corinthians 3 says nothing at all about it being now ok to take God's name in vain

because they were temporary, so along with the feast days, new moons and the weekly Sabbath of the 10 commandments all are void for Christians

That is not true of the TEN commandments.

Here is a great example of text that does NOT say that the TEN commandments do not apply - or that it is now ok to take God's name in vain.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The moral law of God - the TEN Commandments on stone -- under the OLD covenant - is written on the "Tablets of the human heart" in the NEW covenant as 2 Cor 3 points out.

The old covenant was temporary - but it cannot be spun into "the prohibition against taking God's name in vain was just temporary" - it is the SAME LAW - the same moral LAW that defined sin in the Old Covenant - that is written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant.

So then it is STILL a sin to take God's name in vain.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, I'm trying to catch up here. Fill me in on why you keep mentioning taking God's name in vain. Why that commandment?

BTW - here is a link to a current thread on this same topic - that illustrates perfectly why that commandment is so helpful in clarifying the defense for God's Ten Commandments. click this link #401

 

[bugkiller]

You asked what is in vs 9... we can all read it.

I pointed you to a Bible "detail" that does not fit your speculation so far.

The Law external on stone (Old Covenant) - or the same law internal written on the human heart (New Covenant) - the one with "do not take God's name in vain still in it" --

Perhaps you would like to see the New Covenant quoted.

You quote it, but refuse to read it.

bugkiller

 

[1stcenturylady]

It is the first "Day of holy convocation" -- what feasting did they do on the weekly Sabbath in Eden? Or in Israel?

Lev 23 does not say they were feasting on the weekly Sabbath.

The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:
3 ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Ssabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a Sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

Because there is no animal sacrifice required nor a priest required for the weekly Sabbath - they could observe it every week - at home - without coming to Jerusalem for sacrifices and offerings and the ministry of a priest. So also Adam and Eve would need no animal sacrifice while in Eden to observe the Gen 2:1-3 weekly Sabbath as identified in Exodus 20:11.
So also "all mankind" in Isaiah 66:23 observing the Sabbath for all eternity after the cross in the NEW Earth - would need no sacrifice.

This is what I read:
1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the Lord, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

 

[bugkiller]

Bob, I'm trying to catch up here. Fill me in on why you keep mentioning taking God's name in vain. Why that commandment? And what scripture are you referencing?

He is trying to prove we are unregenerate because we do not observe the Sabbath. His approach is we do not take God's name in vain, therefore we are observing the law. Nothing is further from the truth.

bugkiller

 

[1stcenturylady]

He is trying to prove we are unregenerate because we do not observe the Sabbath. His approach is we do not take God's name in vain, therefore we are observing the law. Nothing is further from the truth.

bugkiller

There is nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath on Friday night to Saturday night if that is what he believes. Anymore than there is anything wrong with me keeping Jesus everyday, as I'm sure he does too.

Where did he say we are unregenerate if we don't keep the Sabbath? What is the post #?

 

[BobRyan]

My quote was from NASB and makes it clear that the weekly Sabbath is a day of holy convocation - no mention of a feast for it - so it could be kept at home or in whatevere nation the believer was in -- weekly without having to come to the temple in the Jerusalem for a "feast" of the Jews.

However even your translation says
"the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings."

 

[Bob S]

I believe there was something of God's supernatural power going on in EGW, but I don't believe it was 24/7. Not everything she wrote was scriptural,

If you realize Ellen was not giving us the straight story or she was completely wrong then she was a false prophet. She wrote that the plan of salvation came after the fall of man. She wrote that the Tower of Babel was built to save man in case of another flood. She said people alive in 1856 would be translated at the 2nd coming of Jesus. (Testimonies, V1, p 131,132). She wrote in Testimonies for the Church, Volume 1, p. 259, that the United States would be "...humbled into the dust" by England during the Civil War. Which of what she wrote is the real truth? Should we have to track down everything Ellen wrote to see if it is true?

but, then again, I don't believe all the writings attributed to her, she actually wrote. So don't mock her.

I don't either. She plagiarized much of what she wrote from those in Babylon yet she wrote that not one word she wrote was her own thoughts. Her accompanying angel told her everything to write. Yep, Her accompanying angel told her all about the plan of Salvation.

Sorrow filled heaven, as it was realized that man was lost ... I saw the lovely Jesus and beheld an expression of sympathy and sorrow upon His countenance. Soon I saw Him approach the exceeding bright light which enshrouded His Father. Said my accompanying angel, He is in close converse with the Father.... Three times He was shut in by the glorious light about the Father, and the third time He came from the Father, His person could be seen.... He then made known to the angelic host that a way of escape had been made for lost man. He told them that He had been pleading with His Father, and had offered to give His life a ransom, to take the sentence of death upon Himself ... Jesus bade the heavenly host be reconciled to the plan that His Father had accepted... Early Writings, pp. 149-151. While Moses was shut in the mount with God, the plan of salvation, dating from the fall of Adam, was revealed to him in a most forcible manner. Selected Messages, Bk. 1, pp. 231-232. The kingdom of grace was instituted immediately after the fall of man, when a plan was devised for the redemption of the guilty race. The Great Controversy, p. 347.

 

[1stcenturylady]

My quote was from NASB and makes it clear that the weekly Sabbath is a day of holy convocation - no mention of a feast for it - so it could be kept at home or in whatevere nation the believer was in -- weekly without having to come to the temple in the Jerusalem for a "feast" of the Jews.

However even your translation says
"the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings."

Here is the Young's Literal Translation:

`Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, Appointed seasons of Jehovah, which ye proclaim, holy convocations, [are] these: they [are] My appointed seasons:

Feasts, holy convocations, seasons: They are all the same and all point to Christ as their fulfillment. He is the substance of all of them.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If you realize Ellen was not giving us the straight story or she was completely wrong then she was a false prophet. She wrote that the plan of salvation came after the fall of man. She wrote that the Tower of Babel was built to save man in case of another flood. She said people alive in 1856 would be translated at the 2nd coming of Jesus. (Testimonies, V1, p 131,132). She wrote in Testimonies for the Church, Volume 1, p. 259, that the United States would be "...humbled into the dust" by England during the Civil War. Which of what she wrote is the real truth? Should we have to track down everything Ellen wrote to see if it is true?


I don't either. She plagiarized much of what she wrote from those in Babylon yet she wrote that not one word she wrote was her own thoughts. Her accompanying angel told her everything to write. Yep, Her accompanying angel told her all about the plan of Salvation.

Sorrow filled heaven, as it was realized that man was lost ... I saw the lovely Jesus and beheld an expression of sympathy and sorrow upon His countenance. Soon I saw Him approach the exceeding bright light which enshrouded His Father. Said my accompanying angel, He is in close converse with the Father.... Three times He was shut in by the glorious light about the Father, and the third time He came from the Father, His person could be seen.... He then made known to the angelic host that a way of escape had been made for lost man. He told them that He had been pleading with His Father, and had offered to give His life a ransom, to take the sentence of death upon Himself ... Jesus bade the heavenly host be reconciled to the plan that His Father had accepted... Early Writings, pp. 149-151. While Moses was shut in the mount with God, the plan of salvation, dating from the fall of Adam, was revealed to him in a most forcible manner. Selected Messages, Bk. 1, pp. 231-232. The kingdom of grace was instituted immediately after the fall of man, when a plan was devised for the redemption of the guilty race. The Great Controversy, p. 347.

I don't know what you think is so wrong. It sounds good to me.

 

[BobRyan]

Here is the Young's Literal Translation:

`Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, Appointed seasons of Jehovah, which ye proclaim, holy convocations, [are] these: they [are] My appointed seasons:

Feasts, holy convocations, seasons: They are all the same and all point to Christ as their fulfillment. He is the substance of all of them.

I think it is clear to all that they were not leaving their cities and countries to come to Jerusalem to the temple to have a feast of the Jews every week. But rather "in all their dwellings" - even at home -- they were celebrating the weekly Sabbath.

Young's Literal Translation also confirms this in Lev 23:2.
3 six days is work done, and in the seventh day [is] a sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye do no work; it [is] a sabbath to Jehovah in all your dwellings.

 

[BobRyan]

Feasts, holy convocations, seasons: They are all the same and all point to Christ as their fulfillment. He is the substance of all of them.

Holy convocations are not always feasts even in the annual Sabbaths - for example Day of Atonement is not a feast. And neither was the weekly Sabbath. The people were not so wealthy that they could feast every 7 days "in all their dwellings". And Lev 23:2 in YLT, in NASB and in the translation you were using did not require them to feast every 7 days. Only to have a day of worship - of "holy convocation" -- "in all their dwellings" every weekly Sabbath.

In any case I am sure you know the reason that SDAs do not view it has a feast day either in Lev 23:2 or in Exodus 20:8-11 or in Genesis 2:1-3 . Not saying you must agree with us on that point - but I do note that Bible scholarship on both sides agree that this is one of the Ten Commandments and that it applies to all even today.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I think it is clear to all that they were not leaving their cities and countries to come to Jerusalem to the temple to have a feast of the Jews every week. But rather "in all their dwellings" - even at home -- they were celebrating the weekly Sabbath.

Young's Literal Translation also confirms this in Lev 23:2.
3 six days is work done, and in the seventh day [is] a sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye do no work; it [is] a sabbath to Jehovah in all your dwellings.

However, Jesus fulfilled this holy convocation.

You may see this differently, but this is how I see Colossians 2:16-17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Feast - yearly
New Moon - monthly
Sabbaths - weekly

 

[BobRyan]

However, Jesus fulfilled this holy convocation.

Jesus perfectly fulfilled the command to not take God's name in vain as well.

Fulfilling "prescriptive law" like the Ten Commandments does not mean that those that come along later can violate it.
Fulfilling "predictive law" like Passover - completes the prediction and ends the obligation for that law. Moral law - like the TEN commandments is prescriptive and as I said this is not just an SDA POV - it is the Bible scholars on both side of the debate.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Jesus perfectly fulfilled the command to not take God's name in vain as well.

Fulfilling "prescriptive law" like the Ten Commandments does not mean that those that come along later can violate it.
Fulfilling "predictive law" like Passover - completes the prediction and ends the obligation for that law. Moral law - like the TEN commandments is prescriptive and as I said this is not just an SDA POV - it is the Bible scholars on both side of the debate.

I just want you to see why I am no longer a member of any denomination, though I love the people in them all. Especially SDA, for my strong background of Scripture and love for God. Plus I love Choplets! You can study this and come to your own conclusion, but I'm not saying you MUST stop keeping the Sabbath. God forbid. I want you to keep it unto the Lord. And I won't keep it unto the Lord. Romans 14:5-6 "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it." My journey has brought me far beyond defending the Sabbath. I now have the Holy Spirit, along with most of the Gifts of the Spirit. Like EGW, I've had visions, and God will interrupt my thoughts with His voice. Now He even tells me WHAT to pray before I pray and it always comes to pass immediately. Sadly, while I was a SDA, I never had an answer to prayer. Now since 2/9/77 when I was baptized by His Spirit, and live the miraculous, I never want to go back to legalism of any type. This is relationship.

The law of God is eternal. But this is that eternal law of God:
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

Note these are what we are to DO - Love.

The Ten Commandments were to show us our sin. It was The Covenant. And right in the middle of the Covenant was Jesus. He was the Sign of the Covenant as the Sabbath. Everything in the Old Testament from everything inside the temple to the sacrifices all pointed to Jesus. After Jesus died, His New Will and Testament came into being, making null and void the previous Covenant and it's sign. This Covenant was based on His blood. There is a new Sign of the New Covenant representing Christ's blood - the Cup of the New Testament. The eternal laws are the same. But instead of the letter of the Law on tablets of stone, Jesus gave us something God never gave the Jews. His gift of the Holy Spirit. The Jews were not dead to sin, but Christians are through the Holy Spirit. This is why Paul can say, If you walk in the Spirit you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. The Jews were always in the flesh, but Paul said of us, Romans 8:9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

"Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman." The Covenant of the Ten Commandments was Ishmael, the son of the flesh. Whereas the Covenant of the Seed to come, Jesus was Isaac, the son of promise. "For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar"..." Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free."

We are under grace. But not the grace being taught in some churches. The grace given us by Jesus after we repent unto Him is the Holy Spirit. Grace now is the POWER OF GOD to not sin. So I ask you, if you do not sin, what need is there of tablets of stone telling you not to sin?

With the power of the Holy Spirit within us we will not commit any willful sins. We won't dishonor our parents, we won't kill, won't steal, won't commit adultery, won't covet, but give. This is the NEW COVENANT. Love indwelling us. The Ten Commandment then are for those who break laws, not for those who love God will all their hearts, mind, and strength and their neighbor as themselves. 1 John 3:4-9 "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 3:18-23 "My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave use commandment.

By love through the Holy Spirit, we establish the holy eternal moral laws of God.

That is our New Covenant with Jesus Christ still at its center. Not in a day, but in our hearts. Don't you see that a day of the week cannot be written on our hearts. How could someone know of it instinctively? No, it would have to be the letter of the law, which we are no longer under. So, as much as you would like to think so, the Sabbath was not a moral law that would automatically prick someone's conscience if they didn't keep it, like stealing or killing. Even the heathens instinctively know those are wrong. It was a day from the beginning of Creation that pointed to the Redeemer of the world, as God saw from the beginning to the end. It was holy ONLY because Jesus is HOLY. We no longer need a shadow when we have the solid substance. Jesus is concealed all throughout the Old Testament, and revealed in the New.

I'm repeating Colossians here as you didn't seem to read past the first sentence of the post.

Colossians 2:16-17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Feast - yearly
New Moon - monthly
Sabbaths - weekly

 

[Bob S]

I don't know what you think is so wrong. It sounds good to me.

Really? The tower of Babel was not built because of the flood. Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” There is nothing in the account of the flood. This false statement is repeated in the Bible Story Books you see in doctor offices. Little ones are being taught a blatant lie. I know because I asked my daughter why the tower was built and she paraphrased what Ellen wrote. We had the Bible Stories.

Then she wrote that United States would be humbled to dust because England would come over and defeat us. I am not a great history buff, but I do know that has never happened. Another false prophesy


Then the real big one. Ellen claimed the Plan of Salvation came after the fall of man and wrote the false vision in SR-41. The truth is that the Godhead planned the for the fall of man before the foundation of the Earth. SDAs recognize that she got it wrong, but they point us to where she got it correct. That does not effect the fact that she said it was her Angel that showed her all that happened in her false vision and written in SR-41.

Now what do you think?

 

[Bob S]

No we weren't

Why do you deny what is written so plainly?
What in all the Bible was engraved on stone?
What did Moses hold before the Israelites that made his face glow so bright that the people couldn't look at him?
What was "transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?" mean to you?
What came with glory , but brought condemnation?
What took the place of that condemnation that is more glorious than the 10 were at the base of Sinai?
What came with so much glory and has no Glory today in comparison to what is now glorious?
if what was temporary came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts?

If you could ever prove that those remarks do not mean that the 10 commandments are not our guide today I will lash myself with a wet noodle a thousand times in front of your church on Sabbath morning and apologize for spreading falsehood. What are you willing to do if those words mean that the 10 commandments were temporary.

I knew if you ever tried to answer that issue you would fall flat on your face. You cannot admit it says what it says because it would cause your built on sand belief system to sink and you would loose your job

which means it is "STILL" wrong to take God's name in vain. As we both know.

It does not take the 10 commandments to tell us not to swear. God has blessed us with the Holy Spirit to lead us into all righteousness. That is exactly what Paul wrote in 2Cor3. the problem some people have covered their eyes to the real truth as indicated in the remainder of chapter 3

And as I pointed out - this is a Bible detail so obvious that Bible scholars on both sides of the issue admit that the TEN commandments are STILL included in the moral law of God.

Yes, you keep pointing out all about the the Babylonian scholars which your prophet said "...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90) They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190)

Why would you use any of Satan's scholars to prove your point?

2 Corinthians 3 says nothing at all about it being now ok to take God's name in vain

Well now that is a profound revelation isn't it. It does tell us we now have the guidance of the Holy Spirit which brings righteousness.

The moral law of God - the TEN Commandments on stone -- under the OLD covenant - is written on the "Tablets of the human heart" in the NEW covenant as 2 Cor 3 points out.

Wrong again Pastor. You are twisting scripture. Why would God write on our hearts the ministry that brought death and condemnation. It is the new and better covenant not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. It is the law of love that is written on our hearts.

The old covenant was temporary

Yes! yes! yes! If you understand this why are you still thumping parts of the old one? The whole covenant was temporary. Why are you talking with forked tongue by telling us we are still under the old one?

- but

Now comes the BIG "but". You just cannot leave well enough alone. You suppose you cannot because it would cause you to loose your job.

it cannot be spun into "the prohibition against taking God's name in vain was just temporary" - it is the SAME LAW - the same moral LAW that defined sin in the Old Covenant - that is written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant.

Yes, all of the 9 laws dealing with morality are still binding on man. Jesus incorporated all of the 9 into the law of love. The 10 commandments didn't have all the laws dealing with all the moral issues. It was just a very small number of laws that man is to abide by. The 10 did not even include the law of love which is by far the most important command in all of Scripture.

So then it is STILL a sin to take God's name in vain.

Morality is forever. Morality is implanted in all of us by God. Right doing is something all mankind knows even if they have never heard of the 10cs. The 10cs were just the iceberg of how we are to treat Jesus, ourselves and our fellow man

 

[BobRyan]

However, Jesus fulfilled this holy convocation.

You may see this differently, but this is how I see Colossians 2:16-17 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Feast - yearly
New Moon - monthly
Sabbaths - weekly

Col 2 does not condemn ANY Bible practice at all - rather condemns two things specifically


Colossians 2 makes two key points.

1. It is against false teachers "making stuff up" vs the real - pure doctrine of the Gospel.
2. It is promoting the Matthew 7 pre-cross principle “Judge not that you be not judged”


Notice that the issue of “Making stuff up” was a problem addressed before the cross as well --

Mark 2:23-28 - making stuff up about 7th day Sabbath keeping
Mark 7:6-13 - making stuff up that contradicts the Commandments of God.


===== details on “not making stuff up” in col 2

As for Col 2 -- condemning the traditions and doctrines of man - and upholding the Word of God --

Col 2 is opposed to making up a rule and judging others of being guilty of sin because they differ with you, even if that invented rule is related to a Bible command.

But Col 2 is not an attempt by Paul to delete the scriptures. Rather Paul condemns the idea of making stuff up that is not in scripture at all - where the only source/authority is "man".

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.(NASB)

Notice how irrefutably that post makes the point about not making stuff up...

Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflatedwithout cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.


Col 2
20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.

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and it condemns judging others as we saw in the Col 2 thread -

A great example of Col 2 affirming Matt 7 pre-cross command to not judge others while also not condemning 'eating and drinking'

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In Rev 12 we see the work of the "Accuser of the brethren".

In Matt 7 (pre-cross -- and law in full effect) Christ condemns judging others.

In Col 2:16 we have this -
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

(In Lev 23 - the shaddow Sabbaths are the annual gatherings based in animal-sacrifice liturgy pointing to the first coming of Christ)

An example of NOT condemning eating OR drinking or remembering God's Ten-Commandment creation-Sabbath day to keep it holy. Rather Col 2 condemns the "commandments of men" - (as is so carefully avoided in the quotes we often see from Col 2)

 

[BobRyan]

I just want you to see why I am no longer a member of any denomination, though I love the people in them all. Especially SDA, for my strong background of Scripture and love for God. Plus I love Choplets! You can study this and come to your own conclusion, but I'm not saying you MUST stop keeping the Sabbath. God forbid. I want you to keep it unto the Lord. And I won't keep it unto the Lord. Romans 14:5-6 "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;

Romans 14 "inserts" the word "alike" by the translators - so then sticking with what Paul actually wrote. "one man observes one day above another - while another man observes every day... he who observes the day observes it for the lord"

Paul is referencing the Bible approved annual holy days of Lev 23... he is not referencing the Bible-condemned pagan days of Gal 4 where Paul flatly condemns the observance of such days and he does not use the term "Sabbath" at all - so not at all recommending breaking one of the Ten Commandments.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Really? The tower of Babel was not built because of the flood. Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” There is nothing in the account of the flood. This false statement is repeated in the Bible Story Books you see in doctor offices. Little ones are being taught a blatant lie. I know because I asked my daughter why the tower was built and she paraphrased what Ellen wrote. We had the Bible Stories.

Then she wrote that United States would be humbled to dust because England would come over and defeat us. I am not a great history buff, but I do know that has never happened. Another false prophesy


Then the real big one. Ellen claimed the Plan of Salvation came after the fall of man and wrote the false vision in SR-41. The truth is that the Godhead planned the for the fall of man before the foundation of the Earth. SDAs recognize that she got it wrong, but they point us to where she got it correct. That does not effect the fact that she said it was her Angel that showed her all that happened in her false vision and written in SR-41.

Now what do you think?

I still haven't read the accounts of her visions. As I said, she was not in the Spirit 24/7. I have to get some paper for my printer which I can't afford right now.