Kylie's Evidence Challenge

[AV1611VET]

What about before Gen 1:1?

God is life.

 

[-57]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. Your claim must be supported by you.

To few so-called beneficial mutations......and to many places for it to occur...throw in random chance and the need for it to repeat over and over again......evolutionism fails.

 

[-57]

Actually, belief in an afterlife can be completely independent of belief in deities. I have never been a theist, but I used to believe in ghosts (and that being a form of an afterlife). I don't anymore. Honestly, I'd be lying if I said the prospect of not existing once I die wasn't scary. But the truth of the matter is, I have no idea if I continue to exist or not after death in some form or another. There's no strong evidence that there is an afterlife, though, but I'll still certainly hope for one, even though I don't believe that there is an afterlife.

Ever hear of hell?

 

[Skreeper]

Ever hear of hell?

Good story to keep gullible people's behavior in check.

 

[-57]

Good story to keep gullible people's behavior in check.

You just don't seem to understand.
A christian will not go to hell. They're saved from Gods wrath. So, threatening a christian with hell means nothing and will not change their behavior.

 

[Kylie]

God is life.

So life doesn't need a creator?

 

[Kylie]

To few so-called beneficial mutations......and to many places for it to occur...throw in random chance and the need for it to repeat over and over again......evolutionism fails.

Once again, you make a claim and provide zero evidence to support it.

You know, unless you change this habit, we're going to get nowhere fast.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Ever hear of hell?

-_- I've been a member of this site for nearly 4 years. Even if I had no exposure to Christianity prior to being a member, I would have heard of it by now. I don't believe that there is a hell, you'll need to provide some evidence that it exists before I could possibly be concerned about it. To be blunt, ceasing to exist after death is more horrifying to me than any negative afterlife I can come up with.

 

[-57]

-_- I've been a member of this site for nearly 4 years. Even if I had no exposure to Christianity prior to being a member, I would have heard of it by now. I don't believe that there is a hell, you'll need to provide some evidence that it exists before I could possibly be concerned about it. To be blunt, ceasing to exist after death is more horrifying to me than any negative afterlife I can come up with.

Currently the bible doesn't paint a real good picture of your afterlife.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Currently the bible doesn't paint a real good picture of your afterlife.

Nah, the bible itself is actually pretty vague about heaven and hell, especially the former. However, why do you think a person that doesn't believe in hell would care about what it is described as being like? Attempting to invoke some sort of emotional response from me with the threat of a negative afterlife is pointless if I don't believe in any afterlife to begin with. I might as well be telling you that you better lock away all your peanut butter, otherwise the Purple Blurple Nutter is gonna steal it every Thursday. As if that would actually make you lock away your peanut butter.

Furthermore, I find the prospect of not existing after death to be far more horrific than any eternal torment. That is to say, I'd rather die and be completely wrong and get punished for it than be right. My perspective on what happens after death has nothing to do with my personal desires or hopes. I'd much rather believe that there is some positive existence that awaits me after death, but just wanting it to be so won't make me believe it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Furthermore, I find the prospect of not existing after death to be far more horrific than any eternal torment.

Do you find continuous around-the-clock torture far better than solitary confinement?

 

[-57]

Nah, the bible itself is actually pretty vague about heaven and hell, especially the former. However, why do you think a person that doesn't believe in hell would care about what it is described as being like? Attempting to invoke some sort of emotional response from me with the threat of a negative afterlife is pointless if I don't believe in any afterlife to begin with. I might as well be telling you that you better lock away all your peanut butter, otherwise the Purple Blurple Nutter is gonna steal it every Thursday. As if that would actually make you lock away your peanut butter.

Furthermore, I find the prospect of not existing after death to be far more horrific than any eternal torment. That is to say, I'd rather die and be completely wrong and get punished for it than be right. My perspective on what happens after death has nothing to do with my personal desires or hopes. I'd much rather believe that there is some positive existence that awaits me after death, but just wanting it to be so won't make me believe it.

Actually the bible is very claer about Heaven and Hell. To say it is vague is an error.

As for you understanding....I don't thinkyou have the ability considering...John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Apparently the Father hasn't "granted" you.

 

[Colter]

Do you find continuous around-the-clock torture far better than solitary confinement?

Sounds more like the ISIS idea of God than the real God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sounds more like the ISIS idea of God than the real God.

ISIS can't hold a candle to God.

 

[Colter]

Nah, the bible itself is actually pretty vague about heaven and hell, especially the former. However, why do you think a person that doesn't believe in hell would care about what it is described as being like? Attempting to invoke some sort of emotional response from me with the threat of a negative afterlife is pointless if I don't believe in any afterlife to begin with. I might as well be telling you that you better lock away all your peanut butter, otherwise the Purple Blurple Nutter is gonna steal it every Thursday. As if that would actually make you lock away your peanut butter.

Furthermore, I find the prospect of not existing after death to be far more horrific than any eternal torment. That is to say, I'd rather die and be completely wrong and get punished for it than be right. My perspective on what happens after death has nothing to do with my personal desires or hopes. I'd much rather believe that there is some positive existence that awaits me after death, but just wanting it to be so won't make me believe it.

They really do believe God would torture them forever if they don't belive he wrote the Bible. That explains why they are forced to say they belive Genesis. It's like being in an abusive family wherein the father beats the kids, but they claim to love him when in truth they are terrified of him.

 

[Colter]

ISIS can't hold a candle to God.

The ISIS God, not ISIS.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Actually the bible is very claer about Heaven and Hell. To say it is vague is an error.

What Does the Bible Say About Heaven And Hell? a ton of bible verses about heaven and hell. After reading all of them, the most I can say about heaven is that it is considered a good place to be, you'll be hanging out with the god you worship and worship it eternally, and that most people don't end up there, in summary. Most of the verses that reference it are about how and how not to get into heaven, not what the place itself is like. Look through them yourself. Most of the common ideas about heaven aren't from the bible itself, but other literature and ideas written by believers over time. As for hell, well, lake of fire and sulfur made for the devil and his angels, eternal suffering... not particularly detailed either. Most ideas about hell are also from separate ideas and literature.

As for you understanding....I don't thinkyou have the ability considering...John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Apparently the Father hasn't "granted" you.

I take moral issue with the idea that a deity would demand faith for a good afterlife, and also deny people that faith. However, I take even more issue with the suggestion that I somehow lack the ability to understand your religion just because I don't share the faith. And I know you want to predictably bring up bible verses that claim that nonbelievers can't understand it, but if that were true, there would be no such thing as a Christian convert, because to convert requires that one understands the content BEFORE believing it.

 

[AV1611VET]

The ISIS God, not ISIS.

I don't know if the Muslim religion teaches Hell or not.

Do you?

 

[Colter]

I don't know if the Muslim religion teaches Hell or not.

Do you?

Yes, it's called Jahannam.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Do you find continuous around-the-clock torture far better than solitary confinement?

Nonexistence is unlike either of those things, because in both of those situations, you would be capable of thought. One of the scariest things about nonexistence is how incomprehensible it can be. All that is you is gone, no thoughts, no feelings, nothing to feel pain or pleasure. Even complete removal from sensory stimulation (which causes people to start going insane within a matter of hours) is not comparable, because there is nothing to go insane. There is no you.

The closest comparison I have ever heard anyone make is that it is like sleeping and never waking up. But even during sleep, you have dreams, your mind is active and existing, you just don't remember most of it because the hippocampus (the part of the brain responsible for long term memory) is fairly inactive while you sleep. Basically, stuff is still going on, you just don't remember it, giving the illusion that between falling asleep and waking up that nothing went on. Also, when you go to sleep, there is usually the expectation that you will wake up and resume your waking existence. That doesn't come with dying.