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Should Genesis be taken literally?

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Fellow Creationists,

Take heart! As I read earlier in this thread, our evolutionist believing colleagues have described us as being half-brained, mad, madmen, crazy,.....and various other disparaging terms.

Let us be called all that for the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. After all, Our Lord and Saviour was considered a madman, a trouble maker, against the thought of the day. So as our Saviour said "If call me Beelzebub.....", let us suffer for His Name and look up - for our redemption draweth nigh.
 
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In order to understand sin you have to understand free will. We are given freedom of choice. If we did not have this freedom then we would be slaves.

20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Romans 8
No. Because it is written:

*[[Eph 2:1]] KJV* And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Therefore you cannot have a free will. Since when can a dead body make any decision. Just as a slave has no rights unless given to him by his master.

To understand sin, one needs to know what original sin is.
 
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Adam was made from the dust
Of course Adam was made from the "dust" of the earth. You would have to deny Science to deny that: "Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen,carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life."

The current monetary worth placed of the basic “elements” in an individual human body is $4.50. If you were to sell the organs they may be worth more money. (What do they call a convicted criminal in China? An organ donor.)

http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/april12011/
 
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No flame or personal attack intended.
When one denies the accuracy of Genesis...which tell of the fall of Adam and Eve..then is asked to explain where sin and our sin nature came from...and refuses to explain why Genesis is wrong...I consider it a disregard for Genesis.
I do not deny Genesis, not one iota, you are falsely accusing me. As far as where does sin come from, I do not know. I do not have an answer for every question you are ever going to ask because I am not God and ONLY God has all the answers.
 
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I have a question for those of you who base your interpretation of Genesis on Apostolic Tradition.
Genesis is written in plain language. There is no interpretation required. It means what it says.
 
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Genesis is written in plain language. There is no interpretation required. It means what it says.

I agree with you absolutely. As far as I am concerned, Apostolic Tradition is hogwash, but I am interested in seeing how they explain their beliefs in light of the teaching of the Apostles.
 
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Well, you don't believe germs make us sick, you don't believe the earth orbits the sun, and you don't believe e=mc^2.
That is consistent with rejecting evolution as well.
This is a perfect example of someone who has elevated a scientific theory to become a religion.
 
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Sola Scriptura, literal inerrancy, perspicuity, self-interpretability and plenary verbal inspiration.
You'll have to try again. Jesus taught that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. You're making things up to support your rejection of the Scriptures.
 
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Eve from Adam's rib
There is no contradictions between Science and the Bible. This is all 100% testable using the haplotypes. I believe the day will come, perhaps soon, when they will be able to map out the whole family tree of the human race. Right now this is not fully understood so it is not as simple as it will be when they get it all figured out.

Men have a X & Y chromosome, women only have X chromosomes. So man could not have come from a women. Also the stem cells are in the bone marrow. Men receive their X chromosome from their mother. So in this scenario Eve would have received her X chromosome from Adam's mother. This would also make Eve Adam's sister. Adam was not really his name, Adam means mankind and Eve means wife. Eve in the Bible was the first wife, she was the first women. Before Eve you have male and female. But you did not have a husband and a wife. This was a new chapter in the history of mankind. This was a beginning in many ways. This is what they refer to as a shadow and a type. What some like to call an allegory. Still Adam and Eve were real, historical people that lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. It is important to study the meaning of the Hebrew words that Moses uses to write this story. This is all very exact and very literal. There is a mathematical precision to the Bible that Science refers to as an algorithm. You can decode the Bible using algorithm software on the computer.

1 Cor 11
"8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man.
9 Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."

In the case of Abraham, Isaac would be descended from Adam and Eve. Abraham's son Ishmael came from the Egyptian women Hagar so Ishmael would have the X chromosome from Hagar not Sarah and not Eve in the Bible. They are children from the same father but a different mother.

One way or the other Adam and Eve shared the same Paternal father and maternal mother. In terms of their haplotypes they would be considered brother and sister. During the tribulation period we are told that there will be 12,000 from each tribe, Rev 7:4 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel" They are morally and genetically pure.

4These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they are virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They have been redeemed from among men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5And no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. 6Then I saw another angel flying overhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.

IN SUMMARY: Adam and Eve were real people that lived in a real Garden of Eden around 6,000 years ago. This was a new beginning. Adam was the first Husband and Eve was the first wife. This is called the Neolithic Revolution or Agricultural Revolution. This was a wide-scale transition of human culture from a lifestyle of hunting and gathering to one of agriculture and settlement.

Note: I use the words or terms that you can use to do a google search of you want more information on any of these subjects.
 
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Sola Scriptura, literal inerrancy, perspicuity, self-interpretability and plenary verbal inspiration.


Sola scriptura (Latin: by Scripture alone) is a Christian theological doctrine which holds that the Christian Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice.

Why is this term "Sola Scriptura" tossed around like a bad word? Like it's something to be ashamed of?

My Christian beliefs not only follow "sola Scriptura" but they stand firm on them. My whole belief in Christ is founded on them and if the scriptures are not the solid foundation of my hope in eternal life........what do I have to hope for.

I will not be ashamed of my stance on "sola scriptura" and the fact that:



16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Timothy 3:16-17King James Version (KJV)


The fact that all scripture is God breathed was known long before it was kept from the people of this world by a corrupted church who used fear and manipulation to control the illiterate people of their congregations. Making it forbidden for the people to own or read the scriptures themselves.

Now, we have full access to the scriptures and translations of hundreds of languages so that the people of this world can have the word of God as it was intended by God.

So, condemn me, condescend me, ridicule me, mock me whatever you would like, for my belief that the canonized books of the bible are the living word of God and are to be understood as such.

"Sola Scirptura" is not an insult. It is a compliment of a true believer in our almighty God, the Holy Spirit, and our Lord Jesus Christ who is the living word.
 
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Sola scriptura (Latin: by Scripture alone) is a Christian theological doctrine which holds that the Christian Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice.
So the word: "sole" is not actually a word that is in the Bible? What is the meaning of the passage in Revolution where we are not to add to the words of the book or take away from them?
 
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Fellow Creationists,
Take heart! As I read earlier in this thread, our evolutionist believing colleagues have described us as being half-brained, mad, madmen, crazy,.....and various other disparaging terms.
Ephesians 6: 11-12 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Yes, we are in a war.
Our enemies seek to convince the world that God is not in control; that the physical laws of the earth are responsible for the formation of man not actions by any God. They seek to use this wedge to separate us from the Scriptures and to lead many to destruction.
Our enemies include:
Evil people who hate God, God's people and anything holy;
Atheists who scoff at God, God's people and anything holy;
Fake Christians who pretend to be more enlightened and use distortions of the Bible to push evolution or simply call anything that disagrees with evolution myth or allegory;
Deluded Christians who mean well but have been seduced to believe the lie of evolution and think everyone needs to believe it as well.
On our side we have each other, the word of God and the Holy Spirit.
The lies of evolution will continue to ensnare many and will lead some to doubt and even distrust the word of God. Our spiritual enemies will continue to come to forums like this and everywhere they see an opportunity to spread their message. We have to be strong in our faith and have confidence in the word of God. In the end, the Word will prove victorious.
 
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To understand sin, one needs to know what original sin is.
This passage in Peter goes a long way toward explaining the Divine Nature we are to have. We are to have the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God.

"Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires." 2 Peter 1:4
 
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The lies of evolution will continue to ensnare many and will lead some to doubt and even distrust the word of God.
Just what are the "lies of evolution"? Is there something in the High School or College Biology textbook that you object to and that you do not think should be in those text books? Do you even have a copy of a college or high school Biology textbook? They only cost about $5 used.
 
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So the word: "sole" is not actually a word that is in the Bible? What is the meaning of the passage in Revolution where we are not to add to the words of the book or take away from them?
It is debated as to whether that phrase is intended for the revelation of Jesus to John, or the entire biblical scripture. I would play it safe and not add or remove anything.
 
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It is debated as to whether that phrase is intended for the revelation of Jesus to John, or the entire biblical scripture. I would play it safe and not add or remove anything.
I tend to avoid words that are not in the Bible. It is enough to try to understand the words we have that are in the Bible.
 
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You'll have to try again. Jesus taught that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. You're making things up to support your rejection of the Scriptures.
Jesus' use of scriptures proves that He thought they are the authoritative word of God. What he thought of the creationist doctrine of literal inerrancy is not recorded. Paul's use of the scriptures also proves that he thought they are the authoritative word of God. It also appears from his writings that he thought Genesis was in a real sense historical, as did the early Church and most Christians today. But that is a long way from the Bible doctrine of the creationists and it is deceptive to impute it to them.
 
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Why is this term "Sola Scriptura" tossed around like a bad word? Like it's something to be ashamed of?
What you should be ashamed of is imputing it to the early Church and to non-Protestant Christians for self-serving rhetorical purposes.

The fact that all scripture is God breathed was known long before it was kept from the people of this world by a corrupted church who used fear and manipulation to control the illiterate people of their congregations. Making it forbidden for the people to own or read the scriptures themselves.
That begins to sound like anti-Catholic bigotry. The fact is that the scriptures have always been available in any language that a significant number of Christians have been able to read.

So, condemn me, condescend me, ridicule me, mock me whatever you would like, for my belief that the canonized books of the bible are the living word of God and are to be understood as such.
Why would I condemn you for such sentiments, shared as they are by all Christians? But the truth of that statement does not require belief in the Bible doctrine of the creationists.

 
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Of course Adam was made from the "dust" of the earth. You would have to deny Science to deny that: "Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen,carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life."

The current monetary worth placed of the basic “elements” in an individual human body is $4.50. If you were to sell the organs they may be worth more money. (What do they call a convicted criminal in China? An organ donor.)

http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/april12011/

....and Eve from Adams rib.
 
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I do not deny Genesis, not one iota, you are falsely accusing me. As far as where does sin come from, I do not know. I do not have an answer for every question you are ever going to ask because I am not God and ONLY God has all the answers.

Was sin caused by one man as the bible teaches?
 
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