Traditional Marriage

[Sammy-San]

Yes, marriage is a broad term for a basic union between families centering upon two individuals joining each others' families (or more, in polygamous marriages). However, variety of unions? Not so much, the basic premise of marriage is pretty much the same in all cultures that practice it, although the spiritual significance tacked on will vary from culture to culture.

How is it the same? There werent benefits or assets in Native American and Inuit cultures.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Which is usually the case.

It only then costs people less if one of the spouses has a job that pays for their insurance, and the other DOESN'T. That, and if the two are smart enough to take advantage of changing the coverage to save money. Furthermore, the insurance company still gets paid; it is the business that the spouse works for that foots the extra bill, not individual tax payers like yourself.

I disagree; Of what I know of it, I think we should get rid of the gift tax as well

That would legitimately only benefit the wealthy, and would make money laundering easier. It exists to prevent immense amounts of tax dodging. "Well, no, sir, I don't have to put this money on my income, because it was a "gift"".

Legal avenues are in place to allow this to be taken care of when you have children, acquire property, or healthcare.

But none so streamlined as when you get married. You are demanding that people be knowledgeable and responsible enough to take care of these processes ahead of time. From my personal experience, the vast majority of humanity would not do it, and who is going to have to foot the legal processing bills for that mess? The taxpayers, to an extent.

No, I’m just saying, when someone pays less, somebody else has to pay more to make up for it.

Other people have brought this up, and I will as well: Married couples don't inherently pay less in taxes than non-married people.

 

[PsychoSarah]

How is it the same? There werent benefits or assets in Native American and Inuit cultures.

The benefit is the merger of families, producing environments which promote cooperation and compromise over physical violence and competition. That benefit is universal.

 

[Sammy-San]

The benefit is the merger of families, producing environments which promote cooperation and compromise over physical violence and competition. That benefit is universal.

I'm talking about property division.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I'm talking about property division.

-_- obviously, in cultures with no concept of property ownership, that aspect of marriage doesn't exist for them. However, they might still inherit respect and family standing within the group.

 

[Sammy-San]

-_- obviously, in cultures with no concept of property ownership, that aspect of marriage doesn't exist for them. However, they might still inherit respect and family standing within the group.

What do you mean by that? I dont mean to be stupid, just that things confuse me.

 

[Sammy-San]

The benefit is the merger of families, producing environments which promote cooperation and compromise over physical violence and competition. That benefit is universal.

So marriage had the same definition in indigenous tribes and Pre Columbian America as it does today?

 

[Dave-W]

What do you mean by that? I dont mean to be stupid, just that things confuse me.

Most native American tribes had no concept of personal property.

 

[trunks2k]

Other people have brought this up, and I will as well: Married couples don't inherently pay less in taxes than non-married people.

Yep. My wife and I make similar amounts of money (she makes more but not a huge amount more). Filing jointly, our tax bracket and standard deduction are just double of what it would be filing separately. We pay the same amount either way.

The tax benefit comes into play when there is a large disparity between incomes. Which makes some sense - being one household, the larger earner is now supporting the spouse that makes less (if anything at all).

 

[Sammy-San]

Most native American tribes had no concept of personal property.

When people think getting divorced, it's stories about lawyers and dividing money and property.

 

[Dave-W]

When people think getting divorced, it's stories about lawyers and dividing money and property.

In modern western society - yes. Not sure if Native American tribes even had a concept of "divorce." I don't think their marriages were all that formal.

 

[Sammy-San]

In modern western society - yes. Not sure if Native American tribes even had a concept of "divorce." I don't think their marriages were all that formal.

certain cultures had children for millennia without committing sin.

This is an issue most in the church don't discuss-its a vague concept. Not any specific culture but general definitions of those things.

Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Dave-W]

certain cultures had children for millennia without committing sin.

Prove it.

For ALL have sinned .....

 

[Sammy-San]

Prove it.

For ALL have sinned .....

I was referring to people having legitimate children without sexual sin.

Or more properly, being legitimate parents-it isnt children's fault they are conceived in sin.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

misrepresentation of the argument.

the argument is actually that gay marriage is contrary to biblical marriage because biblical marriage is defined as a one flesh union between a man and a woman. this renders "gay marriage" to be an oxymoron.

an unbelieving man and woman marrying does not contradict the definition of marriage.

 

[Cearbhall]

What do you mean by that? I dont mean to be stupid, just that things confuse me.

Think of Native American tribes (in centuries past) as communes.

 

[Sammy-San]

misrepresentation of the argument.

the argument is actually that gay marriage is contrary to biblical marriage because biblical marriage is defined as a one flesh union between a man and a woman. this renders "gay marriage" to be an oxymoron.

an unbelieving man and woman marrying does not contradict the definition of marriage.

marriage isnt essentially about that.

 

[Sammy-San]

Think of Native American tribes (in centuries past) as communes.

I was referring to how they got married and had children the legitimate way without what we have today.

 

[Cearbhall]

I was referring to how they got married and had children the legitimate way without what we have today.

Ah, I should have quoted a different post. I was referring to your confusion about property division.

certain cultures had children for millennia without committing sin.

What does that even mean? What determines whether or not it was sinful?

 

[Sammy-San]

Ah, I should have quoted a different post. I was referring to your confusion about property division.

I was referring to how in church they talked about abstinence but they never actually talk about what getting married means-it depends on the circumstances.