FREEDOM FROM SABBATH-KEEPING

[S.O.J.I.A.]

If you had an inkling what the New Covenant is about you wouldn't have written what you just did.

you said the 10 commandments have been done away with so why am I not free to murder and commit adultery?

 

[Bob S]

That's a question which is hard to answer to an antinomian.

BTW, Bob S is an antinomian, just like Marcion.

Even in "under the power of Holy Spirit", many celibate Catholic priests are still secret child molesters.

Why don't you attempt to answer my posts instead of telling everyone what you think I am?

Are you mocking the Holy Spirit? Do you ever sin?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Once again I will gladly insert the omitted text.

The text is painting a different picture from the one your trying to paint, Gerhard.

Here is the omitted text.

Luke 23

48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.

The crowds left the scene, but the friends of Jesus and the women stayed and were observing. The text is contradicting what you said Gerhard. The crowds left but the women did not leave, read the following verse.

55 Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.

I told you the women never left, the women stayed and saw Joseph bury Jesus.

You said that nobody was near the cross UNTIL EVENING HAD ALREADY COME. The text does not support your claim. Where does the text state that evening had come?

The text distinctly states that Jesus was buried the day before the Sabbath.

54 It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Re:

“48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.”


These verses form a single retrospective parenthesis the parallel of Mark 15:40,41 and Matthew 27:55,56. They may also be grouped with verses Mark 15:39, Matthew 29:54 and Luke 23:47 about the centurion.


All three parentheses imply that the people who came, also left the scene of the crucifixion after Jesus had died. Luke emphatically kept record that

“ALL the people”, viz., “everybody” [kai pantes]

“(all) the crowds” [hoi ochloi]

“those who tumulted together” [sumparagenomenoi]

“who saw the things happening” [theohrehsantes ta genomena] AT THE CROSS

“returned” [hupestrephon]

“smiting their breasts” [piptontes ta stehtheh]


Now, if this was after the Burial, there would not have been

two accounts of people who came and left,

but this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have been the only account of people who came and went;

and this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have appeared not in between the Crucifixion and the Burial before the Burial, but after it,

as if -- supposedly -- it described the end of the day of the Crucifixion AND Burial,

and not in reality the end of the day of ONLY the Crucifixion.


So, Where does <<the text painting a picture>> that <<The crowds left the scene, but the friends of Jesus and the women stayed and were observing>>?

And where must I read to find the verse that reads, <<The crowds left but the women did not leave>>?

And where in Luke 23:52-54 have you read that <<the crowds left>>?


No sir! The text is contradicting what you, Klute David, posted. The text is painting a different picture from the one you are trying to paint, Mr Klute David.

You may tell me that <<the women never left>> until you are blue in the face, but it will never make this first account of people who came to and left from the scene of Jesus’ Crucifixion, the record of the two Marys and Joseph and Nicodemus who buried Jesus, attending and leaving the scene at the grave after his Burial “mid-afternoon” on Friday.


But I clearly, distinctly, see your method. MIX THE TEXT UP so that there’s NO ORDER left and the reader is so confused he won’t make head or tail and like a foie gras must swallow everything you force-feed him.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Once again I will gladly insert the omitted text.

The text is painting a different picture from the one your trying to paint, Gerhard.

Here is the omitted text.

Luke 23

48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.

The crowds left the scene, but the friends of Jesus and the women stayed and were observing. The text is contradicting what you said Gerhard. The crowds left but the women did not leave, read the following verse.

55 Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.

I told you the women never left, the women stayed and saw Joseph bury Jesus.

You said that nobody was near the cross UNTIL EVENING HAD ALREADY COME. The text does not support your claim. Where does the text state that evening had come?

The text distinctly states that Jesus was buried the day before the Sabbath.

54 It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Re:

“48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.”


These verses form a single retrospective parenthesis the parallel of Mark 15:40,41 and Matthew 27:55,56. They may also be grouped with verses Mark 15:39, Matthew 29:54 and Luke 23:47 about the centurion.


All three parentheses imply that the people who came, also left the scene of the crucifixion after Jesus had died. Luke emphatically kept record that

“ALL the people”, viz., “everybody” [kai pantes]

“(all) the crowds” [hoi ochloi]

“those who tumulted together” [sumparagenomenoi]

“who saw the things happening” [theohrehsantes ta genomena] AT THE CROSS

“returned” [hupestrephon]

“smiting their breasts” [piptontes ta stehtheh]


Now, if this was after the Burial, there would not have been

two accounts of people who came and left,

but this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have been the only account of people who came and went;

and this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have appeared not in between the Crucifixion and the Burial before the Burial, but after it,

as if -- supposedly -- it described the end of the day of the Crucifixion AND Burial,

and not in reality the end of the day of ONLY the Crucifixion.


So, Where does <<the text painting a picture>> that <<The crowds left the scene, but the friends of Jesus and the women stayed and were observing>>?

And where must I read to find the verse that reads, <<The crowds left but the women did not leave>>?

And where in Luke 23:52-54 have you read that <<the crowds left>>?


No sir! The text is contradicting what you, Klute David, posted. The text is painting a different picture from the one you are trying to paint, Mr Klute David.

You may tell me that <<the women never left>> until you are blue in the face, but it will never make this first account of people who came to and left from the scene of Jesus’ Crucifixion, the record of the two Marys and Joseph and Nicodemus who buried Jesus, attending and leaving the scene at the grave after his Burial “mid-afternoon” on Friday.


But I clearly, distinctly, see your method. MIX THE TEXT UP so that there’s NO ORDER left and the reader is so confused he won’t make head or tail and like a foie gras must swallow everything you force-feed him.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

deleted. Mechanism refused to place post.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Once again I will gladly insert the omitted text.
The text is painting a different picture from the one your trying to paint, Gerhard.

Here is the omitted text.

Luke 23
48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.

The crowds left the scene, but the friends of Jesus and the women stayed and were observing. The text is contradicting what you said Gerhard. The crowds left but the women did not leave, read the following verse.

55 Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.

I told you the women never left, the women stayed and saw Joseph bury Jesus.

You said that nobody was near the cross UNTIL EVENING HAD ALREADY COME. The text does not support your claim. Where does the text state that evening had come?

The text distinctly states that Jesus was buried the day before the Sabbath.

54 It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Gerhard, using the text in Luke's Gospel, you need to support your claim. Show me that the disciples of Jesus left the cross when Jesus died. Also show me where Luke states, 'UNTIL EVENING HAD ALREADY COME. You said I was presenting a false account, now you demonstrate your view from Luke!

Re:

“48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.”


These verses form a single retrospective parenthesis the parallel of Mark 15:40,41 and Matthew 27:55,56. They may also be grouped with verses Mark 15:39, Matthew 29:54 and Luke 23:47 about the centurion.


All three parentheses imply that the people who came, also left the scene of the crucifixion after Jesus had died. Luke emphatically kept record that

“ALL the people”, viz., “everybody” [kai pantes]

“(all) the crowds” [hoi ochloi]

“those who tumulted together” [sumparagenomenoi]

“who saw the things happening” [theohrehsantes ta genomena] AT THE CROSS

“returned” [hupestrephon]

“smiting their breasts” [piptontes ta stehtheh]


Now, if this was after the Burial, there would not have been

two accounts of people who came and left,

but this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have been the only account of people who came and went;

and this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have appeared not in between the Crucifixion and the Burial before the Burial, but after it.

And whereas, as is, this first parenthesis describes the end of the day of the Crucifixion, it would have described the end of the day Jesus supposedly was crucified as well as buried on,

and not in reality the end of the day of ONLY the Crucifixion.


So, Where does <<the text paint a picture>> that <<The crowds left the scene, but the friends of Jesus and the women stayed and were observing>>?

And where must I read to find the verse that reads, <<The crowds left but the women did not leave>>?

And where in Luke 23:52-54 have you read that <<the crowds left>>?


No sir! The text is contradicting what you, Klute David, posted. The text is painting a different picture from the one you are trying to paint, Mr Klute David.

You may tell me that <<the women never left>> until you are blue in the face, but it will never make this first account of people who came to and left from the scene of Jesus’ Crucifixion, the record of the two Marys and Joseph and Nicodemus who buried Jesus, attending and leaving the scene at the grave after his Burial “mid-afternoon” on Friday.


But I clearly, distinctly, see your method. MIX THE TEXT UP so that there’s NO ORDER left and the reader is so confused he won’t make head or tail and like a foie gras must swallow everything you force-feed him.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

to all people for all time, unless you want to argue that only the jews were commanded not to murder.

True.
But Christ did not use that answer. He created his own answer and gave a new explanation an explanation of a new enforcement of the Sabbath Rest Day for the People of God. Christ, like Israel of old came up from the depths of the Red Sea on the Sabbath Day, on the Sabbath Day came up from the depth of death and the grave. That's it!

That's why "IF JESUS GAVE THEM REST AND EVERLASTING LIFE, their resting / observing / keeping of the Sabbath Day is being evinced and validated therefore thereby and therewith for the People of God." Hebrews 4:8,9.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

John 15:10 by Jesus (God no less).

False! The Sabbath was <abrogated> in and with Christ when HE, was 'abrogated' by sinners' KILLING OF THE LAMB OF GOD.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Evidently you forgot that Deuteronomy 4 and 5 are part of the Book of the Law. I just do not understand how you can stand up for the 10 Cs and refuse their repeated presentation.

My wife's brother in law spoke of gem squashes as "niksseggende kos" -- dumb food.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

What eactly is this "Word of God's law you are talking about?

They are under Christ.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

how is the crucifixion an abrogation of the 4th commandment? why are none of the other 9 commandments also abrogated?

Because Christ is ALL LAW THE WORD OF GOD.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

This is mid afternoon, not evening according to your verses.

Ha ha ha! I'm laughing ... bad habit of mine laughing at the wrong things.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Opsias - short definition - late

bugkiller

I like the authority!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are limiting "disciple to 11 people. The text dose not personal and or close disciples. A disciple is a follower as both Joseph and Nicodemus were.

One or eleven disciples is not what it's about. It's about left all who came or not.

And by the way, You show where Joseph or Nicodemus was watching the crucifixion!

 

[1John2:4]

Hello W.

Using the text, to which people was the fourth commandment given to?

I am sorry to interrupt but to which people is the new Covenant issued to hint: Jeremiah 31

 

[bugkiller]

you said the 10 commandments have been done away with so why am I not free to murder and commit adultery?

Lets try LK 6:31
How about Jn 13:34; 15:12

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Do the church tell us that Christians is "spiritual" Israel too?
"Spiritual Jew"? (Romans 2:29)

What about the 1st to 3rd commandment and 5th to 10th commandment?

Is it for Christian Gentiles AKA "Spiritual Israel/Jews"?

There is no such thing as spiritual Israel/Jew.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I am sorry to interrupt but to which people is the new Covenant issued to hint: Jeremiah 31

Then you are wasting your time here talking to non Jews/Israeli because according to you a gentile does not qualify. But then you have not read the NT, especially Acts of the Apostles.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Re:

“48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.”


These verses form a single retrospective parenthesis the parallel of Mark 15:40,41 and Matthew 27:55,56. They may also be grouped with verses Mark 15:39, Matthew 29:54 and Luke 23:47 about the centurion.


All three parentheses imply that the people who came, also left the scene of the crucifixion after Jesus had died. Luke emphatically kept record that

“ALL the people”, viz., “everybody” [kai pantes]

“(all) the crowds” [hoi ochloi]

“those who tumulted together” [sumparagenomenoi]

“who saw the things happening” [theohrehsantes ta genomena] AT THE CROSS

“returned” [hupestrephon]

“smiting their breasts” [piptontes ta stehtheh]


Now, if this was after the Burial, there would not have been

two accounts of people who came and left,

but this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have been the only account of people who came and went;

and this -- the first of the two accounts -- would have appeared not in between the Crucifixion and the Burial before the Burial, but after it,

as if -- supposedly -- it described the end of the day of the Crucifixion AND Burial,

and not in reality the end of the day of ONLY the Crucifixion.


So, Where does <<the text painting a picture>> that <<The crowds left the scene, but the friends of Jesus and the women stayed and were observing>>?

And where must I read to find the verse that reads, <<The crowds left but the women did not leave>>?

And where in Luke 23:52-54 have you read that <<the crowds left>>?


No sir! The text is contradicting what you, Klute David, posted. The text is painting a different picture from the one you are trying to paint, Mr Klute David.

You may tell me that <<the women never left>> until you are blue in the face, but it will never make this first account of people who came to and left from the scene of Jesus’ Crucifixion, the record of the two Marys and Joseph and Nicodemus who buried Jesus, attending and leaving the scene at the grave after his Burial “mid-afternoon” on Friday.


But I clearly, distinctly, see your method. MIX THE TEXT UP so that there’s NO ORDER left and the reader is so confused he won’t make head or tail and like a foie gras must swallow everything you force-feed him.

Why are you trying so hard to confuse and destroy the faith of another?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

My wife's brother in law spoke of gem squashes as "niksseggende kos" -- dumb food.

So what does this have to do with the subject?

bugkiller