Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

[DennisTate]

How then is it that you didn't understand 1 Corinthians 3?

No man can know the spirit of another man

Yet you assumed and implied that you knew my spirit?

Fear?
Offense?

Why would I be afraid or offended?

Know yourself sir alone
And speak only about who you are and what you do
And in That understand nothing is hidden from HIM

Your words gave me the impression that
you had very little respect for the testimony of Colton Burpo that
is bringing thousands and tens of thousands of people toward
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in North America alone.

From 1972 to 1991 I was a member of a church that taught "soul sleep"
and I believe that I know the arguments that the pastors and evangelists in that
church would have probably used to attempt to discredit Colton Burpo as well.

Your words reminded me of my old church......
so I attempted to get you to rethink whatever it is that is going on in your head and heart that produce those words......

Matthew 12:34

"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

Perhaps your intention was not to accuse Colton Burpo.... but it sure did sound that way to me......

 

[dfw69]

What did the king of Persia and the king of Medes allow the Jewish people to do?

Build the temple

After 3 and a half years what did you think the man of sin will do?

Sit in the temple as god

 

[miknik5]

GOD wil put a mark on the foreheads of all those who will be appalled

Some of the wise will understand

But done won't

Your words gave me the impression that
you had very little respect for the testimony of Colton Burpo that
is bringing thousands and tens of thousands of people toward
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in North America alone.

From 1972 to 1991 I was a member of a church that taught "soul sleep"
and I believe that I know the arguments that the pastors and evangelists in that
church would have probably used to attempt to discredit Colton Burpo as well.

Your words reminded me of my old church......
so I attempted to get you to rethink whatever it is that is going on in your head and heart that produce those words......

Matthew 12:34

"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

Perhaps your intention was not to accuse Colton Burpo.... but it sure did sound that way to me......

perhaos ypu dont understand the significance in men being baptized into CHRIST through faith in. THE GOSPEL alone?

When evil runs rampant, the same thing that caused Ahab to fall is the same thing that will cause many to fall

 

[Meowzltov]

Oh boy.

The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable

Supersessionism (Replacement Theology) leads to Antisemitism.

 

[DennisTate]

What did the king of Persia and the king of Medes allow the Jewish people to do?

Build the temple

After 3 and a half years what did you think the man of sin will do?

My understanding is that the Cyrus type....( a good guy, relatively speaking in spite of his lack of understanding of many things about Messiah)..... will allow the Orthodox Jewish Rabbis and the Levites to offer sacrifices in the restored Jerusalem Temple for three and half years.......

then.. .it seems like the bad guy...... the Antiochus type will take over in the restored Third Temple and will prevent the Levites from offering sacrifices as commanded by Moses / Moshe.

Then three and a half years later..... it seems to me that Zechariah 14 is fulfilled and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus/ Moshiach ben David... will stand on the Mt. of Olives and will again give the Jerusalem Third Temple to the Levites and Orthodox Jews.

This is partly based on Isaiah 66:5
and Isaiah 66:6

 

[dfw69]

What did you think the covenant he would make would be?
The man of sin will have the help from the Jews themselves who will think themselves in service to GOD.. uprooting their enemy

Clearly showing that by what they do they themselves are misrepresenting The SPIRIT of the ONE they claim to belong to

Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD

But by MY SPIRIT

Some don't know of whose SPIRIT they truly are of

But it will in the end be made manifest those who knew their GOD from those who didn't

How close do you feel this taking place?

 

[DennisTate]

The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable

Yes..... at no time in the past has Ezekiel 40 - 48 been totally and completely fulfilled... .so I figure that it must happen in the future.... and it seems to me not in the terribly distant future.

 

[DennisTate]

How close do you feel this taking place?

Isaiah 66:6
cannot be fulfilled until Isaiah 66:5 is possible.......
which to my thinking... .means Ezekiel 40 substantially or fully fulfilled........

I of course could be wrong but that is my understanding at this time in my life.....

 

[DennisTate]

GOD wil put a mark on the foreheads of all those who will be appalled

Some of the wise will understand

But done won't

perhaos ypu dont understand the significance in men being baptized into CHRIST through faith in. THE GOSPEL alone?

When evil runs rampant, the same thing that caused Ahab to fall is the same thing that will cause many to fall

That is entirely possible....
I am often in error on lots of subjects.....
but I have noticed that some aspects of misunderstanding or biases against the full role of
the Jewish people has crept into some understandings of the role of the Jewish people and the State of Israel so......

I have to wonder if it might be possible that a significant number of us Christians, Messianic Gentiles and even many Messianic Jews misunderstand the full plans of Jewish Moshiach Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus for his own household..... tribe.... and physical genetic family?

If Messianic Jews in Israel are complaining about Christians supporting the Orthodox Jews more than them......
one question that they could ask themselves.......
is could this perhaps be due to their own lack of full understanding of Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48?

 

[dfw69]

My understanding is that the Cyrus type....( a good guy, relatively speaking in spite of his lack of understanding of many things about Messiah)..... will allow the Orthodox Jewish Rabbis and the Levites to offer sacrifices in the restored Jerusalem Temple for three and half years.......

then.. .it seems like the bad guy...... the Antiochus type will take over in the restored Third Temple and will prevent the Levites from offering sacrifices as commanded by Moses / Moshe.

Then three and a half years later..... it seems to me that Zechariah 14 is fulfilled and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus/ Moshiach ben David... will stand on the Mt. of Olives and will again give the Jerusalem Third Temple to the Levites and Orthodox Jews.

This is partly based on Isaiah 66:5
and Isaiah 66:6

And what if all this takes place yet another man comes instead of Yahshua? Would not that cause the faith to be cast off by many?

 

[DennisTate]

And what if all this takes place yet another man comes instead of Yahshua? Would not that cause the faith to be cast off by many?

But don't we have to go through all of this in order for Zechariah 14 to take place?

Isn't the fulfillment of Zechariah 14 what will result in justice for all nations.......
and even lions eating straw like oxen?

 

[miknik5]

My understanding is that the Cyrus type....( a good guy, relatively speaking in spite of his lack of understanding of many things about Messiah)..... will allow the Orthodox Jewish Rabbis and the Levites to offer sacrifices in the restored Jerusalem Temple for three and half years.......

then.. .it seems like the bad guy...... the Antiochus type will take over in the restored Third Temple and will prevent the Levites from offering sacrifices as commanded by Moses / Moshe.

Then three and a half years later..... it seems to me that Zechariah 14 is fulfilled and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus/ Moshiach ben David... will stand on the Mt. of Olives and will again give the Jerusalem Third Temple to the Levites and Orthodox Jews.

This is partly based on Isaiah 66:5
and Isaiah 66:6

Sacrifices

Yes I know

 

[DennisTate]

And what if all this takes place yet another man comes instead of Yahshua? Would not that cause the faith to be cast off by many?

But yes....... you are correct..... there is a prophecy that during the time of the fulfillment of all this many people will experience their love going cold.........

 

[miknik5]

That is entirely possible....
I am often in error on lots of subjects.....
but I have noticed that some aspects of misunderstanding or biases against the full role of
the Jewish people has crept into some understandings of the role of the Jewish people and the State of Israel so......

I have to wonder if it might be possible that a significant number of us Christians, Messianic Gentiles and even many Messianic Jews misunderstand the full plans of Jewish Moshiach Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus for his own household..... tribe.... and physical genetic family?

If Messianic Jews in Israel are complaining about Christians supporting the Orthodox Jews more than them......
one question that they could ask themselves.......
is could this perhaps be due to their own lack of full understanding of Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48?

The craftsmen will be sent out sir

Sorry

 

[dfw69]

But don't we have to go through all of this in order for Zechariah 14 to take place?

Isn't the fulfillment of Zechariah 14 what will result in justice for all nations.......
and even lions eating straw like oxen?

I'm saying I don't believe Yahshua is coming anytime soon but a test of faith is coming... we should not expect Yahshua anytime soon to establish the kingdom....

 

[DennisTate]

Sacrifices

Yes I know

Yes... sacrifices very different than the sacrifices of prayer that we Christians are supposed to offer up.......
but just as we Christians and Messianic believers must pray......
as best as we can.....
in accordance with the will of G-d as we understand it......
and as explained in the Scriptures.......
so also the Levites will have to offer up sacrifices exactly as commanded by Moses/ Moshe.

We Christians know almost nothing about what they must do.......
and it is above our security clearance level anyway......
we don't have to worry about it......
this is between the Levites and G-d.....

 

[DennisTate]

The craftsmen will be sent out sir

Sorry

Correct!

A modern Zerubbabel will be raised up.....
and he will get the job done much as the previous Zerubbabel got his job done......

Zechariah 4:9

"The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you."

 

[DennisTate]

I'm saying I don't believe Yahshua is coming anytime soon but a test of faith is coming... we should not expect Yahshua anytime soon to establish the kingdom....

Correct.....
two witnesses are coming first.......
some sort of Elijah type of person could well precede those two witnesses......
and some sort of King David type will be raised up......
and all of this could well take place months, years.... or even a decade or more before Zechariah 14 is fully and completely fulfilled........

 

[miknik5]

Yes... sacrifices very different than the sacrifices of prayer that we Christians are supposed to offer up.......
but just as we Christians and Messianic believers must pray......
as best as we can.....
in accordance with the will of G-d as we understand it......
and as explained in the Scriptures.......
so also the Levites will have to offer up sacrifices exactly as commanded by Moses/ Moshe.

We Christians know almost nothing about what they must do.......
and it is above our security clearance level anyway......
we don't have to worry about it......
this is between the Levites and G-d.....

Where's the Levite,??!!

Did you understand Haggai 2 or the book of Hebrews?

Apparently you didn't

 

[miknik5]

Would you like to discuss "melchizadek"