Christian Nudists

[HermanNeutics13]

Most of the reasons Nudists give remind me of Jainism and the whole "non-attachment" thing.

I think Christians and Jews tend to view discomfort with nudity as a natural consequence of the Fall, and would have traditionally found the desire to be nude, odd, to say the least (though St. Francis stripped naked to demonstrate his renunciation of the world, he did eventually don some clothes).

I've always liked wearing clothes, even as a little kid I'd wear a lot of clothes. That's just my temperament. So I haven't really thought about the morality of being nude. I just don't think its a serious issue... not compared to so many other things out there.

Yes St. Francis, as well as several of the old Testament prophets. It is your right not to want to. Forcing ti on you would be a sin.

 

[HermanNeutics13]

I really want to see more dissenters bring up verses. Adam and Eve has been brought up many times but I think that has been thoroughly addressed.

 

[bugkiller]

The real problem wasn't eating the fruit; the problem was disobeying God.

That always ends badly.

Yes and I have no idea why people focus on things that do not matter. Personally I think if people really understood Christianity, it would flourish. Instead most believe the old unfounded tales and behavior patterns to base their truth on. I questioned them first of all because they did not work and only brought me harm.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Wicked? No, just uncovered and vulnerable. Uncomfortable. Like going barefoot on gravel.

In the over all sense you mention uncomfortable equates to wicked undesirable actions. I wager your uncomfortableness is based on nothing more than social enforced behaviors.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes St. Francis, as well as several of the old Testament prophets. It is your right not to want to. Forcing ti on you would be a sin.

Agreed, but then who is forcing nudity on others?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I really want to see more dissenters bring up verses. Adam and Eve has been brought up many times but I think that has been thoroughly addressed.

Well maybe I am a dissenter. So here is a passage I like -

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24

In this text Jesus is talking to Israeli (Jews) who basically practice keeping the law. According to the text we find them working in the field naked. They commonly bathed on their roof tops. Bathrooms were not available in those days. That is part of the reason for the Roman bathhouses. They had absolutely no fear of being naked.

bugkiller

 

[Darkhorse]

Yes and I have no idea why people focus on things that do not matter. Personally I think if people really understood Christianity, it would flourish. Instead most believe the old unfounded tales and behavior patterns to base their truth on. I questioned them first of all because they did not work and only brought me harm.

bugkiller

Without going overboard on the matter, I think Satan often distracts people from the important to the trivial, in order to keep them from understanding the simplicity of God's message.

 

[D2wing]

I think it is silly to try to justify nudity by Scripture. None of the Scriptures advocate nudity. It is wickedness. If you have no modesty you are not normal. But if you want to go nude I don't care but it is very uncomfortable to me to see nude men in particular. The old testament law forbids it. I think there is something wrong about it. It is something heathens do. There is no such thing as Christian nudity.

 

[bugkiller]

I think it is silly to try to justify nudity by Scripture. None of the Scriptures advocate nudity. It is wickedness. If you have no modesty you are not normal. But if you want to go nude I don't care but it is very uncomfortable to me to see nude men in particular. The old testament law forbids it. I think there is something wrong about it. It is something heathens do. There is no such thing as Christian nudity.

What do you mean by none of the Scripture advocate nudity? Do you mean there is no command to be naked?

bugkiller

 

[D2wing]

I mean what I said. If you don't understand it, it is because you are trying to justify immorality just like any other sinner that doesn't want to repent and submit to Christ. there is always people trying to find loop holes to justify themselves and also like to accuse the brethren as being judgmental. The accuser is Satan. It is not a big deal to me, but don't try to say it is Godly or Christian. It is not. It is just you and those that agree with you and it separates you from the body of Christ. If you try to lead others astray that is a greater evil.

 

[Darkhorse]

Where does Old Testament law forbid nudity?

Maybe you're thinking of Leviticus 18? The phrase "uncover the nakedness of" is a euphemism for "have sexual relations with", like we say "sleep with" today.
The different versions of the King James and its derivatives (Revised Standard Version) use the euphemism; other translations (like the NIV) use the true meaning.

So these verses forbid incest, not nudity.


In Isaiah 20, God commanded Isaiah to go naked for 3 years, to represent the poverty and subjugation of the Egyptian captives in their upcoming exile. Would God command him to do something "wicked"?

 

[D2wing]

I suppose then that you approve of strip clubs and pornography. Once I had to see a person in perverts prison. The evil was nearly tangible, it smelled like a snake pit and felt like evil spirits were rubbing and squirming around. It feel ever so filthy. That is what I hear from you. Filth. Still looking for loop holes.

 

[D2wing]

I don't think you are Isaiah.

 

[dayhiker]

But the point is, if being nude is wrong than how can God ask Isaiah to prophecy nude. As the NT says, God doesn't tempt anyone to do evil.

 

[Darkhorse]

I suppose then that you approve of strip clubs and pornography. Once I had to see a person in perverts prison. The evil was nearly tangible, it smelled like a snake pit and felt like evil spirits were rubbing and squirming around. It feel ever so filthy. That is what I hear from you. Filth. Still looking for loop holes.

No offense meant, but your post shows your total lack of understanding about nudism, especially Christian nudism.

Christian nudism is the exact opposite of pornography. The atmosphere is very wholesome and respectful of everyone, not leering or suggestive. People enjoy swimming, sunning, tennis, volleyball, dancing, talking with friends, eating, exercising, soaking in hot tubs, and almost everything people do with clothes, only without them.

People who expect the atmosphere to be sexual quickly realize that it isn't. Most enjoy it very much; a few are so disappointed that they leave and don't return.

My wife and I have raised our kids in the nudist lifestyle. They are adults now, and have never been to a strip club. They don't go to porn sites. They are unmarried and still virgins. And they still love both church and nudism.

If you don't believe any of this, you can find out online that it's true - IF you want to know the truth.

 

[Darkhorse]

I don't think you are Isaiah.

That's right - I'm not.

I'm not Hugh Hefner either.

 

[D2wing]

Being nude has always been debasing like most other shall not's. I am glad you do not support pornography. I am firmly against nudity and believe it goes against modesty and purity. Any person with a normal moral compass would probably agree with me. That is all I have to say about it. No point in discussion.

 

[Darkhorse]

Being nude has always been debasing like most other shall not's. I am glad you do not support pornography. I am firmly against nudity and believe it goes against modesty and purity. Any person with a normal moral compass would probably agree with me. That is all I have to say about it. No point in discussion.

I completely agree with you - if you substitute "pornography" or "sexual exploitation" or "lewdness" for "nudity". But they are not interchangeable.

I understand your position, but I just don't agree.

 

[HermanNeutics13]

Well maybe I am a dissenter. So here is a passage I like -

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24

In this text Jesus is talking to Israeli (Jews) who basically practice keeping the law. According to the text we find them working in the field naked. They commonly bathed on their roof tops. Bathrooms were not available in those days. That is part of the reason for the Roman bathhouses. They had absolutely no fear of being naked.

bugkiller

That is not an example opposed to nudity though. Also, there is a lot of evidence to suggest the abomination of Desolation was when a pig was sacrificed in the temple.

 

[HermanNeutics13]

I think it is silly to try to justify nudity by Scripture. None of the Scriptures advocate nudity. It is wickedness. If you have no modesty you are not normal. But if you want to go nude I don't care but it is very uncomfortable to me to see nude men in particular. The old testament law forbids it. I think there is something wrong about it. It is something heathens do. There is no such thing as Christian nudity.

Where does the Bible say anything about modesty being the amount of clothes you wear? The only mention of modesty in relation to dress is telling women not to dress too fancy. "There is no such thing as Christian nudity" So there is no circumstance when a Christian can be nude? If there are any how do we determine when then?