Christian Nudists

[dayhiker]

sock up the sun? Freudian slip revealing your unwillingness to go completely nude?

Soak ... No I've been to nude places a lot. I've even got up and spoke in front of 50 people nude. In 3 weeks I'm going to a cloth optional place in Mexico for a week.
So no problem being nude.

 

[Locutus]

Within the past couple years a woman was prosecuted in NJ for doing that.

For real? Just for boobies?

What manner of human reported her, I wonder. Scary !

 

[Dave-W]

New York State is an exception. The law there was changed by the courts and it has been made clear to the police that they are not to stop women from going topless in public.

I recently read a news article on that. It seems that in Manhattan, for a woman to go topless she has to be part of some licensed art exhibit. There was a law suit going on over an arrest of a group of women for going topless who were NOT in an artistic function.

 

[Dave-W]

What manner of human reported her, I wonder. Scary !

Probably someone like the woman who complained about the topless women in Manhattan, claiming her teen and pre-teen sons had suffered "irreparable harm" from seeing naked breasts.

 

[Locutus]

Probably someone like the woman who complained about the topless women in Manhattan, claiming her teen and pre-teen sons had suffered "irreparable harm" from seeing naked breasts.

Oh lordy ... those poor boys, with a mother like that. Hope they're able to disengage from her issues prior to embarking on relationships. That sort of body shame nuttiness is going to tell.

 

[Dave-W]

Oh lordy ... those poor boys, with a mother like that. Hope they're able to disengage from her issues prior to embarking on relationships. That sort of body shame nuttiness is going to tell.

Apparently you are not familiar with the finer points of the so-called "purity culture." It equates ALL (unmarried) sexual thought,feeling, arousal as the sin of adultery (per Matt 5.28), and the thought is that ignorance is bliss. If you never see anything like that before your wedding night, you will be less of an adulterer than if you see something that gets stuck in your memory.

 

[Archivist]

I recently read a news article on that. It seems that in Manhattan, for a woman to go topless she has to be part of some licensed art exhibit. There was a law suit going on over an arrest of a group of women for going topless who were NOT in an artistic function.

Not correct that women must be part of a licensed art exhibit to go topless in NYC. Women in the State of New York can go topless anyplace a man can legally go topless. That is based on a 1992 NY Court ruling. There was a lawsuit a couple years ago after police arrested a woman for sunbathing topless on a beach. The city was forced to pay her damages for the wrongful arrest. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...arrested-sunbathing-topless-article-1.1479588

BTW, there is a group of women in NYC that regularly sunbaths topless while reading books in city parks during warmer weather, the Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society. While they don't usually go topless outdorrs in the winter, I understand that following a recent nor'easter they did meet in a NYC park for a topless snowball fight.

 

[Darkhorse]

Apparently you are not familiar with the finer points of the so-called "purity culture." It equates ALL (unmarried) sexual thought,feeling, arousal as the sin of adultery (per Matt 5.28), and the thought is that ignorance is bliss. If you never see anything like that before your wedding night, you will be less of an adulterer than if you see something that gets stuck in your memory.

Oh brother! I'll bet they are a litter of sick puppies!

 

[HermanNeutics13]

Not correct that women must be part of a licensed art exhibit to go topless in NYC. Women in the State of New York can go topless anyplace a man can legally go topless. That is based on a 1992 NY Court ruling. There was a lawsuit a couple years ago after police arrested a woman for sunbathing topless on a beach. The city was forced to pay her damages for the wrongful arrest. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...arrested-sunbathing-topless-article-1.1479588

BTW, there is a group of women in NYC that regularly sunbaths topless while reading books in city parks during warmer weather, the Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society. While they don't usually go topless outdorrs in the winter, I understand that following a recent nor'easter they did meet in a NYC park for a topless snowball fight.

They could be referring to full nudity being deemed OK as long as it is art, as is the case with the body painting they have in time square, but topless women are legal in New York, and any arrest will be overturned if a cop does do it.

 

[Darkhorse]

Wow! Nice links!

I didn't know zebras were so common in South Africa, or that they would approach humans. I have heard that they have nasty dispositions. It looks like they wander through yards in herds like deer do here in the U.S.

Good Christian-nudism comments also!

 

[bugkiller]

GOD created nudity and saw that it was good.Today most people do not agree with GOD.

Now that's the truth for sure.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

For those who sleep nude do you ever worry about sleep walking? Did you ever encounter a nude sleepwalker? Did they remember later? Did they get embarrassed?

I feel so sad for people who live in fear.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

God asking "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" wasn't Him condemning nudity. God's concern wasn't for their nudity since He created them and left them that way. His next question was about them eating of the forbidden fruit since they possessed knowledge they shouldn't have had. Clothing them with skins served a two-fold purpose (1) Making the first blood sacrifice for sin as a forerunner of Christ's future sacrifice for sin, and (2) To cover them to protect their bodies from hazards to their bodies since God was casting hem out of a perfect environment into a harsh, cruel world He had just cursed with thorns and other hazards to their bodies that He just created. He did NOT cover their bodies because they had suddenly become offensive to Him.

I think it has more implications. A person involved in wiccan art was jealous that I had a bright glow about me. I believe that Adam and Eve were fully clothed in the glory of God before sin and lost that glory upon sin. Hence they knew they were naked.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I would like to point out that the weather did not change or conditions before that came up. After they ate of the fruit they were clearly ashamed of their nakedness because they knew suddenly that it was shameful. There is no mention of weather or any other explanation except they became aware of good and evil. You explaination is pretty silly and clearly the Bible doen't say what you say it says, nor does it inference anything else, furthermore it is consistent with the laws, and all the other page ages that deal with nakedness. You might bs yourself be I am irritated that you thing I am that dumb.

I find it simply amazing how eating something can change something called good to become evil.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The answer to your first question is yes. I think you are saying that the scripture is saying something that is does not. In my opinion I think you are wrong about nakedness not being part of their shame. Why else is their reaction to put on fig leaves or whatever.
The second part, I have no answer. We are not under the law. We are not bound by the Old Testament so your error on the first part doesn't speak to nudity but to self deception.
I do not have a measuring stick to say when something is a sin or not. You bring up good points. I cannot tell you you are wrong on the second part. In my opinion you are a step or two down a slippery slope on both matters. I do know that in I spend time around pretty young things that are naked or even close to it, my thoughts at some point will not be pure.
If you are not temped like that then you made of very different material than me.
I think most people have a degree of modesty and are not comfortable naked. But I leave you to your own thoughts I already have said more than I probably should. I am not here to judge you. Just give you my opinion. I am over my head here.

I think your problem has to do with social conditioning.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Ok. Thanks for being so open. What you do in your own home is none of my business. I am not your Judge. This is somewhat of an eye opener for me, my own experiences with nudity were definitely not so pure and innocent. No comment beyond that in public.

Hey its been real slow in my usual areas of the forum, so forgive my intrusion here.

I'm wondering if you wear undergarments. If you do go with out them for a day. My bet is you'd feel wicked. Why? You wouldn't be exposing anything. My bet is it is because its your norm. I believe your approach to the issues discussed here are the from the same bias. Just because something has always been a certain way in one's life doesn't make it right (for lack of better expression). Been there myself and used to be of the same general mindset you seem to have.

bugkiller

 

[Darkhorse]

I find it simply amazing how eating something can change something called good to become evil.

bugkiller

The real problem wasn't eating the fruit; the problem was disobeying God.

That always ends badly.

 

[Dave-W]

I'm wondering if you wear undergarments. If you do go with out them for a day. My bet is you'd feel wicked.

Wicked? No, just uncovered and vulnerable. Uncomfortable. Like going barefoot on gravel.

 

[FireDragon76]

Most of the reasons Nudists give remind me of Jainism and the whole "non-attachment" thing.

I think Christians and Jews tend to view discomfort with nudity as a natural consequence of the Fall, and would have traditionally found the desire to be nude, odd, to say the least (though St. Francis stripped naked to demonstrate his renunciation of the world, he did eventually don some clothes).

I've always liked wearing clothes, even as a little kid I'd wear a lot of clothes. That's just my temperament. So I haven't really thought about the morality of being nude. I just don't think its a serious issue... not compared to so many other things out there.

 

[bugkiller]

Wicked? No, just uncovered and vulnerable. Uncomfortable. Like going barefoot on gravel.

Hardly. Uncomfortable yes, at least at first. You must have some very rough clothing.

bugkiller