Jack Chick's View on Catholicism

[redleghunter]

What do you think of his views he had on the Roman Catholic Church? Not only what you think, but WHY?

I will say that I believe Constantine brought much into the church that shouldn't have been in there, but I think Roman Catholics can still be saved as long as they accept Jesus as the Savior of their sin.

For those of you who don't know who Jack Chick was and his views, here's some links:

Are Roman Catholics Christians?
Last Rites
Papa
Why Is Mary Crying?

Jack Chick employed some fake Jesuit priest (I mean fake because no one was able to trace his roots to the Catholic church). He was the one that actually 'fathered' the anti-Catholic rhetoric for Chick. Jack Chick stuck to writing and drawing the Basic Gospel tracts and social issues against abortion and the homosexual lobby.

Was he still anti-Catholic even if not the brain child for the ones you posted. Yes because he obviously knew about them and allowed them to be published.

Also, you forgot the most anti-Catholic Chick tract ever which I believe is now out of print. It was called "Death Cookie."



The above generated as stir in a Tennessee town a few years ago.

Anti-Catholic Leaflet Stirs Holy War in Tennessee Town

Churches should not be handing out tracts attacking other churches.

Now warning others about Islam, I think that is fine. It just so happens Jack Chick had a few of those too:

Camel's in the Tent

 

[FireDragon76]

Hyperbole is not humor.
It is simply a way of exaggerating to make a point.

Doesn't exaggeration tend to be funny?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I know you're wrong. Constantine tried to influence the Church but he ultimately failed. He did end the persecution though which allowed the Church to flourish.

You believe i'm wrong. I believe you're wrong. That's my point.

 

[sdowney717]

Unfortunately, Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide are Scripturally untenable.
You can cherry-pick verses to TRY to prove these false doctrines - but the fail in the context of Scripture.

As for the "good reasons" for the Reformation - there is never a good reason to splinter the Body of Christ.
The splintering continues to this day to the tune of almost 50,000 disjointed sects - ALL teaching different doctrines yet ALL claiming to have the "truth".

Hundreds of millions of people over centuries are on my 'protestant' side, and on your side too.
It seems to me some people do not understand church history.

 

[J-Man70]

And this kind of ignorance cannot go unanswered . . .

First of all - we are commanded to pray for each other as the Body of Christ (James 5:!6).
Does a person cease to be a member of the Body of Christ when they go to Heaven?? Who gave YOU the authority to kick them out??

I never kicked anybody out of the body of Christ. You're lying. Nobody in the Bible prayed to St. Stephen or St. James after they died. The Bible says necromancy (talking to dead people) is forbidden.

Rev. 5:8 shows the saints in Heaven taking our prayers before God and Rev. 8:4-5 shows the angels doing the SAME thing. They are interceding for us.

No, the Bible refers to "saints" as people who are still alive on Earth. Rev. 5:8 says the four beasts and the 24 elders are themselves worshiping God and the incense they have are the prayers of the Christians on Earth.

As for repetitious prayers - Jesus didn't condemn that. He said:
“And when you pray, do not use VAIN repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.” (Matt. 6:7).

I read that same verse in the original Greek and here's how it reads in English: "Praying but not repeat over and over like how heathen." Pretty simple.

Was Jesus a heathen?? HE prayed repetitiously.
- In Matt. 26:44, Jesus himself prayed the exact same prayer three times in the Garden of Gethsemane after the Last Supper.

If I tell somebody "I said the same thing". That doesn't mean I said it in the exact same words verbatim.

- In the Parable of the Determined Widow in Luke 18:-87, Jesus emphatically states that God hears those who keep petitioning him in sincere faith:
“Will not God then secure the rights of his chosen ones who call out to him day and night? Will he be slow to answer them? I tell you, he will see to it that justice is done for them speedily.”

This doesn't mean she stood there before him and repeated the same sentence over and over again. She was just very persistent. She wasn't saying "Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money. Judge, get this man to give me money." over and over and over again!

- In Luke 18:13, the tax collector repeatedly beat his breast and prayed, “God be merciful to me, a sinner.”
This was pleasing to God.

He repeatedly beat his chest. He did not repeatedly say "God be merciful to me, a sinner."

- We see in Rev. 4:8 that the angels pray the SAME prayer day and night without ceasing in the presence of almighty God, “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.”



- Psalm 136 goes on for 26 verses in a row, repeating the exact same prayer, “God's love endures forever”.

- In Dan. 3:56-88 we read the exact same prayer for 32 verses, which is “bless the Lord; praise and exalt him above all forever.”

This is different, they were singing songs of praise and worship to God.

So much for YOUR unbiblical rejection of repetitous prayer . . .

Nope. So much for YOUR hatred towards me!

 

[Philip_B]

If you think God does not have a sense of humour, then you should look in the mirror.

I am personally reminded of God's humour every day this way.

 

[J-Man70]

It does say to pray for one another, it says God is the God of the living (referring to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and it says the prayers of a righteous man are powerful and affective.

Yes, we the living pray for each others needs.

It says not to make "vain repetitions as the heathens do". Is there anything vain about repeatedly asking God to have mercy on us?

No. It means I can pray for the needs of myself and others. It does not mean I'm gonna repeatedly say a bunch of "Our Father's" and "Hail Mary's"

Patron gods? What are patron gods?

Same thing as patron saints.

So you are posting your opinion, not historical facts. Thank you, that is much less misleading.

No, I'm stating historical facts I've read about and no they were NOT from Chick tracts.

 

[redleghunter]

Same for Alberto Ribera, wished his views had gone to the grave with him instead of being picked up by Darby and Scofield and many preachers today.

You do realize Scofield and Darby died before Alberto Rivera was born?

 

[redleghunter]

Constantine ended the persecution of the Christian faith. Before he did so Christianity was illegal. Christians died. He didn't make Christianity the state religion, as so many detractors think he did. He made Christianity as legal as Paganism.

He did try to meddle in the faith, true. When Christian bishops were arguing over the teaching of Arius, Constantine summoned all of the bishops to meet in Nicea to hammer it out. But Constantine wanted a compromise position, semi-Arianism. The council rejected what Constantine wanted, totally rejecting Arianism and semi-Arianism. So Constantine's meddling wasn't even effective.

The mythology about Constantine is way thicker than the truth about him.

Thanks for that.

It was actually Theodosius who was the first Roman Emperor to be 'both feet' in the matters of the Church.

 

[redleghunter]

The Church is run by a person in the shadows called the "Black Pope"

Wow never heard of that one. Bizarre.

 

[redleghunter]

As for God having a sense of humor - I find it interesting when people make this claim because I've never seen any evidence of it.

Bible Gateway passage: Jonah 4 - New King James Version

 

[Light of the East]

Where in the Bible does it say that you should pray to patron saints? Nowhere.

Where in the Bible does it say that everything you are to believe is to be found in the Bible? Where in the Bible does it speak about what to do regarding artificial contraception and in vitro fertilization? Where

What does the Bible say about praying repetitious prayers? It says not to do it.

No, it says vain repetitions, such as the pagans do to their "gods" who are not God and who cannot answer their prayers.

OTH, perhaps you have forgotten this passage from Revelations:

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

So God has angels who pray repetitious prayers day and night, that's all they do, and it doesn't bother Him. Perhaps you need to rethink your position.

What did the Roman pagans do? They prayed repetitious prayers to patron gods.

There are also pagan "gods" who are crucified for the sins of the people and resurrect. Shall we now dump Christ and His death, burial, and glorious Resurrection because of this? You do know that Satan apes the truth, right? (i.e., appears as an angel of light)

Conclusion: Roman Catholicism was formed by the merging of Christianity with Roman paganism.

Yeah, I believed that too when I used to go around with my pockets filled with Jack Chick tracts and my head filled with utter lies. Did you know that Constantine was so concerned about paganism trying to get into the new faith of the empire in the city of Rome that he found a sleepy little city called Byzantium and for a time, moved the capital there. The city was renamed Constantinople.

Does this make me think the Roman Catholics are all going to hell? No, it doesn't.

Somehow I find that hard to swallow, especially given the lack of fondness of Pentecostal types such as Jimmy Swaggart, for the Catholic faith.

 

[MarysSon]

I never kicked anybody out of the body of Christ. You're lying. Nobody in the Bible prayed to St. Stephen or St. James after they died. The Bible says necromancy (talking to dead people) is forbidden.

WRONG.
Necromancy is trying to glean information from the dead.
It is not talking to them. If that were true - every widow and widower or anybody who ever visited a lobed one's grave would be guilty of necromancy.

Instead of simply believing the lie - do your homework and look it up.
I'll address the rest of your post later on tonight . . .

 

[Vicomte13]

There's nothing funny about a lukewarm Christian.
Rev. 3:15-16 speaks volumes about people like you:
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Perhaps. How many personal miracles from God have YOU experienced? I broke my neck and was paralyzed and drowning, and God performed a major miracle for me and healed me. Did he ever do anything like that for you?

God has grabbed my face out of the air and spoken to me out loud. I have seen the City, I have been in the black abyss, and I have felt the heat of Gehenna on the soles of my feet. Have you?

Can you read the Hebrew pictographs by which God wrote out the account of his fattening of the world, starting with the begetting of the Son before he did that?

Do you know that God's name, El, is "The Lord is My Shepherd"?

God is not going to spit me out of his mouth. I am highly favored and beloved by him, and have been since he placed me where he placed me, with my unlikely collection of gifts.

You wield the words of God as though you are God. But the thing is, I have spoken with God, and he does not sound like you.

So what you are, really, is like Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer's Apprentice, picking up a wand of words, a ring of power, and trying to cast spells with it.

God is not about to spit me out of his mouth, because he knows that I am with him to the end and always was, by his choice. He provided me what I asked for, and much more.

What are you doing? You are angrily baiting everybody - hurling words of judgment at them. I am too lukewarm for YOU, but I am beloved and highly favored by GOD, and I know it because of all of the miracles.

So, apparently God is not as harsh and demanding and unforgiving and oppressive as you are.

That's a problem for you, not me, because our God's Son said that we will each be judged by the standard by which we judged.

You've got God spitting me out of his mouth for my "lukewarmness", because I am not incensed by the ridiculous little things that incense you (like Jack Chick cartoons, for instance).

I'm concerned for your well being because of your relentless harshness. Happy men do not address everybody in the way you do (look at your posts - EVERYBODY gets hit by your lightning bolts, all the time, you're relentless). You're enraged at everyone, and certain that God is too.

Well, you're wrong. God is nowhere near spitting me out of his mouth. God loves me, always has, always will, and treats me exceptionally well. He and I are not estranged or on difficult terms. He's my Father, and acts like a father should act to me - and I mimic that to the extent within my power in my own parentage of our daughter - His and mine, for He is her Father also, and yours, o brother mine) - our awesome daughter who is rising to do awesome things. The blessings are profuse. He's not spitting me out of his mouth, for there is nothing lukewarm about me.

Why are you so angry? Why do you sound like Paul before he was thrown from his horse? You're raging at a dead cartoonist. You're raging at your brother in spirit because he's not raging at the cartoonist. You're raging that I don't take homeless women into my house.

You're raging at everybody. Do you think God's going to bless this? He isn't going to.

Your rage will peak, you will have a good catharsis of unloading on anonymous people on the Internet, but then the feeling will pass and you'll be back alone, and cold, and wondering where the blessings are. Why is your zeal unrewarded?

It is unrewarded because it's not good. You're trying to dominate, to judge, to command, to cast spells with the words of Jesus.
That is not the way, my brother. You're acting like...Jack Chick!

Calm down. Steady on. Laugh more. Don't burn all of your bridges with everyone, hurl lightning bolts, pass judgment on the world and then settle back, alone, in the darkness and wonder why you feel bad. Breathe. Drink a glass of red wine. Look at the stars. And learn to laugh at camels, because they are very funny creatures.

 

[redleghunter]

I should not have to link, but justification is by faith alone

Pope Benedict XVI 'kind of' agrees too.

Pope Benedict XVI: 'Luther Was Right'

 

[John Hyperspace]

I think Roman Catholics can still be saved as long as they accept Jesus as the Savior of their sin.

I think we are all the same. A whole lot of ignorant in our minds with (hopefully) a whole lot of love in our hearts. I pray God's mercy upon all us backward, impudent and stiff-necked children; and that He may save us for His name's sake, in which we trust.

 

[sdowney717]

Pope Benedict XVI 'kind of' agrees too.

Pope Benedict XVI: 'Luther Was Right'

Nice to read that, this doctrinal fight about salvation by faith alone versus works is never ending, every generation it will come up, until the end.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I just wanted to know how people felt about Jack's anti-catholic publications.

Well, now you know. They are scatological. Best that they be buried.

 

[Light of the East]

I never kicked anybody out of the body of Christ. You're lying. Nobody in the Bible prayed to St. Stephen or St. James after they died. The Bible says necromancy (talking to dead people) is forbidden.

Those who are now with Christ are not dead! They are very much alive in Christ, and since the Body of Christ is one and not separated, then we have communion with them.

The admonition not to commit necromancy is in the Old Covenant. Now what has changed from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant? It is this: when people died in the Old Covenant, they were still separated from God by the effect of Adam's sin. They went to a place called Paradise (..."today you shall be with me in Paradise.") to await the coming of the Messiah. Paradise was.....well, Paradise, but it was not the very presence of God nor was it being part of God's communion of love or the sharing of the divine nature. It was a place of separation, both from God and those on earth.

Christ's death and glorious Resurrection ended that separation. We are now made partakers of His one Body, members of that Body, and have been made alive - truly alive - in Him. Paradise is closed, empty, and those who were in it who were separated from us are now united to the Church on earth. There is no separation anymore.

We see that because of the separation in the Old Covenant, when people committed acts of necromancy, they were opening themselves up to the deception of demons who posed as the dead friends or relatives. That was one reason it was banned. The other would be that those seeking audience with the dead often asked them to do that which God alone can do.

In the New Covenant, we ask those who have gone before us to pray to God for us. That is the appropriate prayer....we do not treat them as God, but ask their intercession before the Throne of Grace.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Jesus used humor, it's obvious from seeing his interaction with the religious leaders of his day. Many of his images are obviously meant to be humorous. Like straining a gnat and swallowing a camel, or the image of the blind leading the blind.

Or Adam saying to Eve, "How come my two children don't look like me?" And Eve saying to Adam, "Does this fig leaf make me look fat?" Adam may have been very careful answering the question because it wasn't the last 30 seconds of his life! Hahahahahaha!