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Does God live inside our observable universe?

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Does God live inside our observable universe?

Yes.

God is both "immanent" - meaning present here and now in this space and in this moment - and "transcendent" - meaning above and beyond this space and this moment.

So he does live inside our universe. But he does not only live inside our universe.

God's immanence:
Jeremiah 23:23-24
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“Am I a God at hand, declares the Lord, and not a God far away? 24 Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.

God's transcendence:
1 Kings 8:27
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“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!"
 
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The Bible tells us clearly that God has a location-heaven.
God lives in a specific place—the heavens. Consider these Bible passages:




The scripture tells us that he used things unseen or invisible to us in order to create.

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THINGS unseen aren't nothing. They are simply things unseen.
We can agree to disagree. To me a God that said to be somewhere, means there is somewhere He is not. The conclusion from that is wrong. So the thought He "lives" somewhere might promote a wrong idea. That we can view Heaven as a "place" where we can "see" God clearly represents more of a statement about a persons state than it does about God.
Same with the idea string theory suggest God is what string theory describes so in a very real and physical sense He is the Universe - promotes the idea the Creator is just another way of looking at the whole universe of which we and everything in it are a "part" of. That is a wrong idea on many levels, that God has "parts" would be only one.
 
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We can agree to disagree. To me a God that said to be somewhere, means there is somewhere He is not. The conclusion from that is wrong. So the thought He "lives" somewhere might promote a wrong idea. That we can view Heaven as a "place" where we can "see" God clearly represents more of a statement about a persons state than it does about God.
Same with the idea string theory suggest God is what string theory describes so in a very real and physical sense He is the Universe - promotes the idea the Creator is just another way of looking at the whole universe of which we and everything in it are a "part" of. That is a wrong idea on many levels, that God has "parts" would be only one.
I was simply showing you what the Bible tells us.
 
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I don't believe so. See, our observable universe is the material universe. But God is immaterial; God lives in the abstract universe; the realm of thought and idea: consciousness. God is consciousness. He lives in your mind. That's why David said, everywhere I go, there You are. We have two realities: empirical, and, abstract. I presume you know the difference between the two. Now the scripture uses words like "earthly/carnal/sensual" to describe empirical, and it uses the words "heavenly/spiritual" to describe abstract.

The problem is that people are locked into carnal/earthly/sensual comprehension of heavenly things. So when they think of "heaven" and "spirit" and "God" they think of, like a secondary carnal place. They think heaven is an empirical place, that spirits are like, carnal beings that fly around, that God is this, flesh man who sits on a earthly throne like they could walk up to God and touch him. But God is spirit; immaterial; conscious idea. The kingdom of heaven isn't a carnal, earth-like place; it is an abstract idea. That is why Jesus said, the kingdom of heaven doesn't come with observation; neither do they say, lo, here, or, lo, there.

But people can't comprehend that He is speaking of abstract, immaterial things. They're all locked into the dominance of earthly understanding - beastly understanding. What is the difference between a man and a beast? A beast can't comprehend abstractions. All they know is the sensual world: what the see and hear and taste and smell. That is their world. Pure carnality, pure sensuality. The bible calls it "devilish" (James 3:15), you see that? "Earthly" "sensual" "devilish" aka "empirical": but the man can comprehend abstractions, he can discern things of the spirit- that is, unless his mind is mastered by the mind of the world, and all he can do is read the Word of God and think it's talking about earthly things. This is why we get people reading the Revelation and all they can comprehend is, earthly things: it's a meteor! It's a microchip! It's all earthly and carnal! But it's not: it's abstract. It is a revelation of understanding.

But men are locked into earthly, sensual, devilish understanding. They think there is a secondary carnal realm called "heaven" where people fly around with wings, and there is this place under the ground with sensual fire, and little men with horns, and it is all so laughable. It's like, from the mind of children. This is why Paul talked about the "natural man" not being able to comprehend the "things of God" (1 Corinthians 2:14) and why "religion" of men is an earthly thing, earthly rituals done in earthly buildings, preaching carnal commandments and all manner of cartoonish understanding. That's what it means to "overcome the world" it means to overcome the worldly understanding: to move from thinking "born again" means crawling into your mother's womb, to move from thinking "living water" needs a bucket to be drawn; to perceive beyond the material world, to apprehend the immaterial.

But, I'm going on. No, I believe God does not live in the observable universe. He lives in our heart and mind, and He gets in there by the WORD: Romans 10:6-8

Hi John,

Excellent contribution. Jesus has the answer: "The Kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21

God bless
 
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Does God live inside our observable universe?

I have just finished reading three pages of responses, and come to one conclusion - Some of the terminology needs to be defined.

What does it mean to say "God lives (anywhere)," when He is alive wherever He chooses to place His foot. To "live" in "place" is not the same as saying He is "Contained" in that place. That seems to be a common mistake of not defining terms...

Man is confined to whatever space His physical body requires for life.

God lived within the camp of ancient Israel, in the fact that He commanded the Israelites to carry a spade with a paddle on one end, on their belt so that when they had to relieve their selves, they would go outside the camp, dig a hole into which they would relieve, then cover their extractions; so God's foot would not tread upon unhallowed ground. So, in one sense, God lived within the camp of Israel (Deuteronomy 23:12-14)

Sometimes we conflict over whether God is bound by "time" and/or "space."

When God made covenants with Men, He bound Himself to the terms of the covenant; and expected Men to honor the same "binding" of themselves to the terms to which they agreed.

For example; some sacrifices were to be kept the same time every year; The "Sabbath" was to remain a day of rest every week, and sometimes an extra "Sabbath" was thrown into the schedule for special reminders, like for example, Jubile, which was every fifty years.

"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.

12 For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.

13 In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

14 And if thou sell ought unto thy neighbour, or buyest ought of thy neighbour's hand, ye shall not oppress one another:

15 According to the number of years after the jubile thou shalt buy of thy neighbour, and according unto the number of years of the fruits he shall sell unto thee:

16 According to the multitude of years thou shalt increase the price thereof, and according to the fewness of years thou shalt diminish the price of it: for according to the number of the years of the fruits doth he sell unto thee.

17 Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God: for I am the LORD your God.

18 Wherefore ye shall do my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; and ye shall dwell in the land in safety.

19 And the land shall yield her fruit, and ye shall eat your fill, and dwell therein in safety.

20 And if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase:

21 Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years.

22 And ye shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in ye shall eat of the old store.

23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me." (Leviticus 25:8-23)

God is wherever He wants to be at any given time. And He is limited to time and space only insofar as His own word limits Him, in responding to those Covenant arrangements to which He has bound Himself to Man.

There is way too much evidence that this is so, for me to post it here, but it makes a most interesting study, if one is really wanting to put the time into it.
 
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Residing implies location. Location general implies an area within which a person or thing can be found, as they are there. God is everywhere, so the idea that He is just in Heaven cannot be correct.
The point is an Infinite Omnipresent Spirit cannot be said to "reside" somewhere as if restricted, like saying we live somewhere means one can find a persons entire "being" in that general area. Such a concept cannot be applied to God without making Him much smaller. We can think of it as the angels and Saints in Heaven with Him now can "see" Him, but that does not equate to Heaven is a place where the Being, God hangs out. God is. He exists does not meant I need to go "somewhere" to find or see Him.

HMMM, must have misunderstood your post somehow?

Youre answer is "yes" then? God does indeed live in this observable universe?
 
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Does God live inside our observable universe?

Back to the OP: No. We live in him.

Ge 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

If there was nothing but God before creation, where did he create the universe? There is no place outside of God:

1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

He created within himself. He open the void inside himself and spoke his creation into existence there. We are literally the voids, made from nothing, inside the reality of God. We are but a shadow.
 
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HMMM, must have misunderstood your post somehow?

Youre answer is "yes" then? God does indeed live in this observable universe?
The observable universe has limts, a place to "live in" or "dwell" or "abide" has limits. God does not have limit. So no. God does not "live in" and is no way a piece or part of the universe He made. He is certainly not the physical fabric or strings making up everything in the universe that He made. Non-sequitur to suggest from our notions of what God is that He made Himself.
 
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There's a barrier between us and the heavenly realm. It's called the firmament in Genesis 1. That's where the Most High YAH & His Son Yahushua are right now. We just can't get up there.
oooh we can. We are "seated in heavenly places in christ"..... :D
 
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The observable universe has limts, a place to "live in" or "dwell" or "abide" has limits. God does not have limit. So no. God does not "live in" and is no way a piece or part of the universe He made. He is certainly not the physical fabric or strings making up everything in the universe that He made. Non-sequitur to suggest from our notions of what God is that He made Himself.
so he is not omnipresent then? :D getting slightly confused here lol

Non-sequitur to suggest from our notions of what God is that He made Himself.

But he, as the word, can certainly manifest himself into a form. That doesnt mean the from has made itself, or that god IS that form.

Stupid simile: i can form my body into the letter Y , but that doestn mean i AM the letter Y and that Y as me has made myself! But i definitly is "omnipresent" in that particluar form of the letter Y as i am the very substance that made it up! Does that make sense to anybody else than my fallen mind?
 
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"Does God live inside our observable universe?"
The answer should be both "Yes" and "No."

The God of the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic faith traditions acts both within and upon the observable universe -- He is thus both inside and outside. Our past, present and future in time are all immediately in His present -- He is timeless. "In Him we live and move and have our being."
 
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so he is not omnipresent then? :D getting slightly confused here lol
Omnipresent does not need to imply Him being a part of the Creation He made. How can the potter make himself a piece of pot?
If God were a physical being then the implication is a "in" everything might make more sense, but then we would all and everything we see would be a "part" of God. In essence though we would no longer really exist as self, but just as a functioning piece filling a purpose/role of something bigger - essentially the only self. Concepts like these are at the heart of much of eastern mysticism. Which is why though seemingly relatively harmless ideas of themselves leading to such thoughts, would be the reason Christians should absolutely reject such notions out right - like the idea string theory might explain how everything really is literally a "piece" of God.

God is Spirit and as The Spirit who created everything else we see (and don't see like other spirits) is not a "part" of everything. This was the meaning behind Saint Thomas's and others statement of God is "utterly simple" - no parts compared to everything He made - things that can be broken down into parts.
 
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Does God live inside our observable universe?
YES. GOD LIVES INSIDE OF THE BELIEVERS, WHO HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT

Just ask Jesus to enter your heart and forgive your sins and ask God the Father to give you the Holy Spirit, then you are born of the spirit.

Then God and Jesus dwell inside of you, and you abide in them.

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter which can comfort you , ask Holy Spirit for comfort.

The Holy Spirit is also the source of the healing miracles, the casting out of demons, Holiness, and the regeneration and changing of the flesh.

Angels also exist in the visible world, many of us have seen angels, and many believers have personal angels assigned to help them.

Many have also encountered Jesus and/or ascended briefly into the third heaven (where it is in God)

And some of us can see the Holiness with our eyes, the Holy fire that comes out the top of a persons head for example when they have the Holy Spirit strong upon them
 
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Stupid simile: i can form my body into the letter Y , but that doestn mean i AM the letter Y and that Y as me has made myself! But i definitly is "omnipresent" in that particluar form of the letter Y as i am the very substance that made it up! Does that make sense to anybody else than my fallen mind?
Perfect sense for describing a physical being!

Not at all applicable to describing an Infinite Spirit said to have created the universe itself.
 
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"Does God live inside our observable universe?"
The answer should be both "Yes" and "No."

The God of the Judaeo-Christian-Islamic faith traditions acts both within and upon the observable universe -- He is thus both inside and outside. Our past, present and future in time are all immediately in His present -- He is timeless. "In Him we live and move and have our being."

Yes! But not really a "no."

God is infinite, which easily encompasses the finite universe. God is eternal, which easily encompasses time. For a sovereign omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God, He lives everywhere in every time, in heaven and also earth. There is no place or time where He is not.
 
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I was simply showing you what the Bible tells us.
But that is not really true that is all that was simply done. If one believes God to be an Infinite Omnipresent Spirit that created this universe, then claiming the Bible says God "lives in a place" then one is disputing that He is Infinite and Omnipresent. So either one does not believe God is that big or the suggested understanding conferred by the quoted passage must be wrong. Am suggesting the later, but there are those out there that imagine a smaller God than most.
 
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