Are we in the last of the last days?

[Psalm3704]

AMEN!

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[keras]

And no Keras, John 3:13 is not what you think Jesus meant. If you can make the connection between Acts 1:11, John 20:17 and Matthew 27:50, you will realize how deep your head is buried in the sand about no one going to heaven.

You think that because Jesus went to heaven, that entitles you to go there too?
Well, my aim is to be humble. I just live a quiet life, doing what I can in the church and community. Jesus said: Blessed are the meek [humble; opposite to prideful] for they shall posses the earth.
And from the Bible prophesies about God's plans for His people, the earth is our heritage, the place we were made to inhabit and eventually God will dwell with us, thereby making earth into heaven. Just as it was when Adam and Eve started.

 

[Psalm3704]

You think that because Jesus went to heaven, that entitles you to go there too?

No, that's not what I was implying or even thought. I was addressing your nonsense. And since you bring up this issue too. Here's what the bible has to say.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 New King James Version (NKJV)
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.​

We will go where ever Jesus goes. That's His promise.

And Keras, where is Jesus at the beginning of and during most of the tribulation after He delivered us from the wrath? Where ever Jesus is, so shall the church be with Him.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 New King James Version (NKJV)
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.​

Unless you think Jesus comes to earth at the beginning of the tribulation to be with the church for the entire tribulation, your post-trib rapture just got refuted here too.









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[he-man]

2 Kings 2:1 New King James Version (KJV)
And it came to pass, when the Lord was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2 Kings 2:11 New King James Version (KJV)
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. a tempest or storm wind accompanied with vivid flashes of fire, figuratively used for the divine judgments (Isa 29:6). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
One day Elisha becomes aware that Elijah's time on earth is nearly over. They are walking together and, when they reach the Jordan River, Elijah strikes the water with his cloak and the river parts to allow them to cross. Later, the prophet asks Elisha what he can do for him before he goes and Elisha asks for "a double portion of your spirit." Biblical Literacy: The Most Important People, Events, and Ideas of the Hebrew Bible

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
for God took him, as Elijah was taken, out of the world by death, according to ( 1 Kings 19:4 ) ( Ezekiel 24:16 Ezekiel 24:18 ) "for he was translated, that he should not see death", ( Hebrews 11:5 )
John Gills Exposition of the Bible Commentary
Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart ...

The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and
no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. ...
Act 8:33 For His life was removed from the earth.” 34“Tell me,” said the eunuch, “who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?”…

2 Corinthians 12:2-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Luke 23:43 New King James Version (NKJV)
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Matthew 27:50-53 New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Acts 2:34
For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand,
New International Version
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today, you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Very soon Satan himself will appear on Earth looking just like Jesus but he will claim to be Isa, the Muslim name for Jesus and will say the Muslims are right and the Christians are wrong. Most Christian's will believe this which will cause the great falling away. Satan (Isa) will also appear with superior technology that people will assume is of extraterrestrial origin. Satan will then select the Muslim Mahdi as the new ruler of the World; This is the Anti-Christ. The real Jesus will return seven years after this event.

During these years anyone who resists this ruler in the name of the Christian Jesus will be beheaded. The global economy will collapse, poverty and hunger will increase. Food supply will be rationed and one country after another will eventually be forced to adopt the mark of the beast system. This will be a chip implant that allows you to buy and sell food etc, that Satan (Isa) will provide with his technology. The last country to fall to this system will be Israel.

At the beginning of the 7 years Israel will have just rebuilt the Temple on the Temple mount in Jerusalem and will have restarted it sacrifices. The new High Priest will be the False Prophet and he and the Anti-Christ will hate each other just as the Bible says.The High Priest and the Israeli government will agree to the 7 year peace treaty that the Anti-Chirst will impose on many countries around the world but after three and half years the Anti-Christ will invade Israel and stop the sacrifices. Then 1290 days later Israel will be forced to finally accept the mark of the beast as their supplies of food run out. There will be final period of 45 days and then the real Jesus will return. Thank God.

The Two Witnesses will be two very normal Christian men who will already have end times ministries. They will travel to Jerusalem and begin the last 1260 days of their ministry on the Temple mount, just after the sacrifices are stopped. Then just before the Mark of the Beast implant system is set up in Jerusalem they will be killed by Satan's forces that will have been unleashed on Earth 5 months before Jesus returns. The Witnesses will survive the first three and half months of this onslaught of Satan's 200 million strong demonic army spoken of in Revelation. Three and a half days after they are killed they will resurrect and ascend to heaven. Then the Mark will be set up. The last 45 days will be the worst time in the history for world. By the time Jesus returns most (at least 80%) of humans will have been killed. When Jesus returns he will destroy everything on the surface of the Earth with fire from Heaven and the rapture will happen, first the dead in Christ then the living. The only people to survive will be non-Christians hidden deep under ground.

 

[parousia70]

Very soon ....

It's always Very soon isn't it?

The Apostles sure thought so:

“The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.” (Rom. 16:20)

“The time has been shortened.” (I Cor. 7:29)

“For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay.” (Heb. 10:37)

“You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.” (Jms. 5:8)

“It is the last hour.” (I Jn. 2:18)

“…to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place.” (Rev. 1:1)

“The time is near.” (Rev. 1:3)

 

[Guide To The Bible]

It's always Very soon isn't it?

The Apostles sure thought so:

“The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.” (Rom. 16:20)

“The time has been shortened.” (I Cor. 7:29)

“For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay.” (Heb. 10:37)

“You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.” (Jms. 5:8)

“It is the last hour.” (I Jn. 2:18)

“…to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place.” (Rev. 1:1)

“The time is near.” (Rev. 1:3)

If I gave you a date you wouldn't believe me and just call me a date setter, but when I say 'very soon' I mean at most not more than 10 years.

 

[parousia70]

If I gave you a date you wouldn't believe me and just call me a date setter, but when I say 'very soon' I mean at most not more than 10 years.

So you mean something completely different than what the Apostles meant when they said exactly the same thing you are saying?

Do you know something they didn't?

For me, when I see you saying something that the Apostles ALSO Said, and I'm faced with the fact that you both can't be right, my money is always going to be on the Apostles being correct, and you being wrong.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

So you mean something completely different than what the Apostles meant when they said exactly the same thing you are saying?

Do you know something they didn't?

For me, when I see you saying something that the Apostles ALSO Said, and I'm faced with the fact that you both can't be right, my money is always going to be on the Apostles being correct, and you being wrong.

Told you you wouldn't believe me

 

[parousia70]

Told you you wouldn't believe me

Why should anyone believe you instead of the Holy Inspired apostolic writ?

You may think you know more than the apostles, but I see no reason to believe that is true.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Why should anyone believe you instead of the Holy Inspired apostolic writ?

You may think you know more than the apostles, but I see no reason to believe that is true.

That makes sense, after all I haven’t provided any information for you to consider that the last 7 years will begin within the next 10 years.

 

[parousia70]

That makes sense, after all I haven’t provided any information for you to consider that the last 7 years will begin within the next 10 years.

That you claim to be in possession of revelation that the apostles were unaware of, that contradicts the apostles inspired testimony, is really all I need to make my informed decision as to the validity of your claims.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

That you claim to be in possession of revelation that the apostles were unaware of, that contradicts the apostles inspired testimony, is really all I need to make my informed decision as to the validity of your claims.

Yes but then your ignoring those that knew more than the apostles.

 

[parousia70]

Yes but then your ignoring those that knew more than the apostles.

I'm perfectly content ignoring anyone who's testimony contradicts Holy Inspired apostolic writ.

I'll always side with the apostles. Not ashamed of that at all.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

I'm perfectly content ignoring anyone who's testimony contradicts Holy Inspired apostolic writ.

I'll always side with the apostles. Not ashamed of that at all.

Does that include Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit? And the Old Testament?

 

[parousia70]

Does that include Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit? And the Old Testament?

If you can show me any apostolic teaching that contradicts Jesus, God, the HS & OT, I'm all ears.

Of course, If your position is we can't trust the apostles then isn't our faith in vain??

 

[Guide To The Bible]

If you can show me any apostolic teaching that contradicts Jesus, God, the HS & OT, I'm all ears.

Okay I admit nothing contradicts but what I am trying to point out is that the apostles didn't understand everything Jesus, God or the Holy Spirit said and did, nor did they understand everything about the OT; In particular prophecy.

 

[parousia70]

Okay I admit nothing contradicts but what I am trying to point out is that the apostles didn't understand everything Jesus, God or the Holy Spirit said and did, nor did they understand everything about the OT; In particular prophecy.

And your point is also that you personally have a better, more correct understanding than they did?

 

[Guide To The Bible]

If I said yes you probably wouldn't believe me

 

[parousia70]

If I said yes you probably wouldn't believe me

That's true, and not only probably. I absolutely would not believe you.