Protesters charged with felony rioting

[Radrook]

I wasn't saying minorities were rioting. I was saying that the protests were in mainly minority neighborhoods. So the likelihood is that any vehicles or businesses that were damaged by the rioting are owned by minorities.

Well, during the LA riots and other riots common in the USA it is usual the minority involved that destroys its own neighborhood. They don't venture into the Anglo American neighborhoods to riot because they know that they will be met by a withering barrage of bullets by well prepared and anxiously waiting grinning residents.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Since we don't know, they should both go on the air and DEMAND these people stop the violence.

The President should make a statement. Or is he just going ignore all this going on under his watch?

 

[BubbaJack]

The President should make a statement. Or is he just going ignore all this going on under his watch?

I think Hillary and Bernie should be good citizens and try to encourage their supporters to stop with the violence and destruction.

 

[Gadarene]

I wasn't saying minorities were rioting. I was saying that the protests were in mainly minority neighborhoods. So the likelihood is that any vehicles or businesses that were damaged by the rioting are owned by minorities.

"like, you don't need money though dude"

 

[Radrook]

The President should make a statement. Or is he just going ignore all this going on under his watch?

It's an embarrassing issue and humans tend to shun embarrassments.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's an embarrassing issue and humans tend to shun embarrassments.

Trump talks about himself all the time.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Fun fact: the major ethnic makeup of the areas that they were rioting in are either heavily black or Hispanic.

Source? In DC, they were rioting near Franklin Square downtown, which is most definitely not the kind of neighborhood you're describing.

 

[Cimorene]

True, it's just that some folks feel more at home behind bars and making trouble in that way might be deemed a very convenient opportunity to return to where they feel more comfortable. Outside of prison they might be friendless, jobless, and without a sense of purpose. Inside they are with their homies, might feel important because they are perhaps feared and respected for their prison savvy. Expressing a dislike for Trump might just be a fringe benefit in the whole display.

That probably true but in this case it doesn't make any sense. My grandma told me that there were so many people who went to the march in Chicago the public transportation got overwhelmed & a lot of people had to walk long distances. In Chicago. In January. They still did it. Like a quarter of a million people were there. There were people who flew in to DC for the march. Busloads of people from Canada who went down to DC in solidarity. At marches around the world people had to deal with huge crowds, parking nightmares, stuff like that, but they did it anyway. If you wanted to get arrested so you could go back to prison there are dozens of far simpler ways.

 

[Radrook]

That probably true but in this case it doesn't make any sense. My grandma told me that there were so many people who went to the march in Chicago the public transportation got overwhelmed & a lot of people had to walk long distances. In Chicago. In January. They still did it. Like a quarter of a million people were there. There were people who flew in to DC for the march. Busloads of people from Canada who went down to DC in solidarity. At marches around the world people had to deal with huge crowds, parking nightmares, stuff like that, but they did it anyway. If you wanted to get arrested so you could go back to prison there are dozens of far simpler ways.

No, I didn't mean to imply that the majority are motivated to demonstrate against trump because they are desiring to go to prison. I was referring to members of the rioting groups who are fully aware of the prison terms they might accrue and do it anyway. So avoiding prison based on a strong aversion to doing time can't be very high on their agenda. Neither is respect for the law high on their agenda. So based on those two obvious qualities of their personalities it is reasonable to assume that among such shady characters there are those who strongly desire to kill two birds with one stone-demonstrating against Trump and to going home to the homies. Please also note that in certain neighborhoods in the USA, such characters aren't that unusual.

 

[SummerMadness]

Fun fact: the major ethnic makeup of the areas that they were rioting in are either heavily black or Hispanic. Thus, they were protesting against a guy they claim is racist... by economically disenfranchising minorities.

I love alternative facts!

 

[Radrook]

I love alternative facts!

The Cubans in Florida are not an economically deprived nor disenfranchised minority.

Socioeconomics
The median household income for Cuban Americans is $36,671, a figure higher than all other Hispanic groups, but lower than that of non-Hispanic whites.

In contrast, U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a higher median income than even non-Hispanic whites, $50,000 as compared to $48,000 for non-Hispanic whites.[34] Cubans living in Florida have a lower median income than those living outside of Florida.[34]

61% of Cubans own their home, compared to 47% of all other Hispanics.[34] The highest rate of home ownership for foreign-born Cubans, 72%, is among those who entered before 1980.

Poverty rates among Cubans is generally lower than the rates for other Hispanic groups.[34]
Cuban Americans - Wikipedia

 

[Cimorene]

No, I didn't mean to imply that the majority are motivated to demonstrate against trump because they are desiring to go to prison. I was referring to members of the rioting groups who are fully aware of the prison terms they might accrue and do it anyway. So avoiding prison based on a strong aversion to doing time can't be very high on their agenda. Neither is respect for the law high on their agenda. So based on those two obvious qualities of their personalities it is reasonable to assume that among such shady characters there are those who strongly desire to kill two birds with one stone-demonstrating against Trump and to going home to the homies. Please also note that in certain neighborhoods in the USA, such characters aren't that unusual.

I think it's more common for older people who've been in prison for a long time to want to go back. Like if you're 75 & have been in prison for 40 years that's pretty understandable that the outside world is scary & you'd want to go back. I think most of the rioters were pretty young.

 

[Radrook]

I think it's more common for older people who've been in prison for a long time to want to go back. Like if you're 75 & have been in prison for 40 years that's pretty understandable that the outside world is scary & you'd want to go back. I think most of the rioters were pretty young.

The participants include 582 men, 79 of whom were juveniles at the time of the original interviews, and 168 women. These individuals have extensive criminal histories, and more than 80 percent of the men and 75 percent of the women experienced at least one arrest in the four-and-a-half-year period following their release from prison between 2004 and 2005.

Recidivism | National Institute of Justice

About 68 percent of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of their release from prison, and 77 percent were arrested within five years, according to a report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) released Tuesday.

The report, entitled Recidivism of State Prisoners Released in 2005, is based on a BJS data collection which tracked a sample of former prison inmates from 30 states for five years following their release in 2005.

Once a criminal, always a criminal? Recidivism rate analyzed in new Bureau of Justice report

Seems as if it's just the way such criminals are regardless of age.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Source? In DC, they were rioting near Franklin Square downtown, which is most definitely not the kind of neighborhood you're describing.

No, there were Starbucks and Limousines, clearly a slum.

 

[Kiterius]

10 years is too good for them. They ought to be given life behind bars, if not the death sentence.

 

[Cimorene]

That’s not what the statistics indicate:

Uh huh. You were talking about people wanting to go back to be with their "homies".

Do you have any info about the people arrested in the riots & whether they had previously been imprisoned & rioted bc they wanted to go back?

 

[Radrook]

Uh huh. You were talking about people wanting to go back to be with their "homies".

Do you have any info about the people arrested in the riots & whether they had previously been imprisoned & rioted bc they wanted to go back?

Simply a conjecture based on observation and personal familiarit. Nothing more.
Why? Do you have info proving the contrary? What exactly about their rioting convinces you that it's more likely that such shady characters are lacking in their ranks?

Recidivism or going back to prison is very common among young people in the USA.


The participants include 582 men, 79 of whom were juveniles at the time of the original interviews, and 168 women. These individuals have extensive criminal histories, and more than 80 percent of the men and 75 percent of the women experienced at least one arrest in the four-and-a-half-year period following their release from prison between 2004 and 2005.

Recidivism | National Institute of Justice

 

[Cimorene]

Simply a conjecture based on observation and personal familiarit. Nothing more.
Why? Do you have info proving the contrary? What exactly about their rioting convinces you that it's more likely that such shady characters are lacking in their ranks?

Recidivism or going back to prison is very common among young people in the USA.


The participants include 582 men, 79 of whom were juveniles at the time of the original interviews, and 168 women. These individuals have extensive criminal histories, and more than 80 percent of the men and 75 percent of the women experienced at least one arrest in the four-and-a-half-year period following their release from prison between 2004 and 2005.

Recidivism | National Institute of Justice

You're the one who made the claim that many of the rioters were wanting to go back to prison so it's up to you to prove that that's true, not for me to prove it's false. Yeah, I think most people are aware of the high rate of recidivism in the US but that still doesn't make your point about the rioters.

 

[Radrook]

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You're the one who made the claim that many of the rioters were wanting to go back to prison so it's up to you to prove that that's true, not for me to prove it's false. Yeah, I think most people are aware of the high rate of recidivism in the US but that still doesn't make your point about the rioters.

It was a conjecture not a claim.

BTW
Isn't their political party supposed to be law-abiding? How does that fit in with rioting?

 

[Cimorene]

It was a conjecture not a claim.

BTW
Isn't their political party suppose to law abiding? How does that fit in with rioting?

k, it had sounded like a claim the 1st time you made it but am glad it's merely conjecture.

Willing to bet that a lot of the rioters don't belong to any political party & were just using it as an excuse to riot. I mean there was some vandalism that happened in MONTREAL during anti Trump protests so they wouldn't be registered Democrats. There's also a ton of people who were Republican but loathe Trump. So IMO it's just kind of petty to use the rioters as an excuse to take a pot shot at democrats.Their actions are way different from the million or so people who went to the peaceful rallies yesterday.