Real time or evo time?

[dad]

Sorry dad -- you don't get to scurry out of this.

You said time was in the equation.

D=1/P

Show me where.

Show where that relates to any baseline used in stellar parallax?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Show where that relates to any baseline used in stellar parallax?

[Staff edit].

The issue is the equation.

You said time was in the equation.

D=1/P

Show me where.

 

[dad]

The bible asserts without proof or evidence many things (like a flat Earth).

Old wive's tale and false. Nowhere does it say that at all. The evidences for Jesus were huge. He fulfilled prophecies that were exact, specific and impossible to do by man. You also would need to deny every miracle in the bible, and call them all liars. You would need to call millions of folks who experience God today liars too. Good luck with that.

Also, how exactly have you determined that scientists don't know what the forces and laws of nature were in the past?

Easy peasy. Ask one sometime! Or, try to prove they were the same as now yourself if you like! Good luck with that.

 

[dad]

The issue is the equation.

You said time was in the equation.

D=1/P

Show me where.

Easy. If we look at a base line for parallax, for example fro earth in June and then again in December, to a certain star, that involves time a few ways. [Staff edit]. In that case your distance involves time. Period. [Staff edit].

 

[TLK Valentine]

Easy. If we look at a base line for parallax, for example fro earth in June and then again in December, to a certain star, that involves time a few ways. [Staff edit]. In that case your distance involves time. Period. [Staff edit].

D =1/P

Sounds like you're admitting that time is not in the equation, but in the observations that are put into the equation. You don't trust your observations, do you? You litterally cannot believe anything you see.

If time is distant very far away because we're not there to measure it, and if God can change anything (including time) at will, then how do you know that time is the same anywhere you're not at this very moment?

Answer -- you don't.

I know you believe in "the Split" dad -- a time in the past when the laws of the universe were arbitrarily changed by God... can you imagine what it must've been like for those poor people who went to bed one night with the universe just so, and woke up the next morning to find that everything they ever knew and took for granted is not gone?

Of course you can -- your faith requires you to live with it every day: Anything God can do once, He can do again whenever He pleases. Who are you to tell Him He can't?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Hard to imagine what it would be like. Perhaps we would live a lot less years? Perhaps there would be a lot of cancer? Perhaps evolving would start to take a lot of time? Perhaps photosynthesis and the way atoms work would be somewhat different..? Etc etc.

But you're not imagining anything, david -- You're claiming it happened. And the people who lived through it suddenly had everything in their universe that they had come to know and expect turn wrong overnight. Imagine what the human race will go through if God does so again tomorrow.

You do consider that, don't you, david? After all, what are the laws of the universe to God? Nothing He can't change tomorrow.

Pity, really, when you think about how much of what we do relies on those laws being what they are... not what theyll be tomorrow.

 

[dad]

But you're not imagining anything, david --

Ok, lucy.

You're claiming it happened. And the people who lived through it suddenly had everything in their universe that they had come to know and expect turn wrong overnight. Imagine what the human race will go through if God does so again tomorrow.

Yes Noah lived through the change as did others. Deal with it.

You do consider that, don't you, david?

Say what, lucy?

After all, what are the laws of the universe to God? Nothing He can't change tomorrow.

He can make lions eat grass. Change is the name of the game.

Pity, really, when you think about how much of what we do relies on those laws being what they are... not what theyll be tomorrow.

How much we do has zero to do with the origins debate, focus.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Ok, lucy.

Now, now -- no need to shout out random names just because everyone knows you're David Enjay... or at least you were on certain other forums...

Yes Noah lived through the change as did others. Deal with it.

I'm asking how they dealt with it -- and how you will deal with it when it happens tomorrow...

He can make lions eat grass. Change is the name of the game.

Right, I forgot... God is all about arbitrary change...

 

[dad]

Now, now -- no need to shout out random names just because everyone knows you're David Enjay... or at least you were on certain other forums...

??

I'm asking how they dealt with it -- and how you will deal with it when it happens tomorrow...

Easy, when the change comes maybe in the latter part of the Tribulation period, (?) the folks living will deal with it. I notice there are angels and demons right on earth at that time. People will have trouble killing themselves even, apparently. The mountains will all be flattened, the stars and sun go dark, and all the water be turned poison. Etc... Then, we enter the millennium, where the folks will again live 1000 years, and lions eat grass etc!

Right, I forgot... God is all about arbitrary change...

Ps 55:19 - God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.

 

[TLK Valentine]

??

Easy, when the change comes maybe in the latter part of the Tribulation period, (?)

...or tomorrow.

the folks living will deal with it. I notice there are angels and demons right on earth at that time.

Do you often notice angels and demons?

People will have trouble killing themselves even, apparently. The mountains will all be flattened, the stars and sun go dark, and all the water be turned poison.


Etc... Then, we enter the millennium, where the folks will again live 1000 years, and lions eat grass etc!

Oh, is that all? Nothing else worth mentioning?

Ps 55:19 - God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.

As we agree, then -- God is all about change. What he says or has written yesterday may not be worth the paper it's printed on tomorrow...

 

[dad]

...or tomorrow.



Do you often notice angels and demons?



Oh, is that all? Nothing else worth mentioning?



As we agree, then -- God is all about change. What he says or has written yesterday may not be worth the paper it's printed on tomorrow...

It is true that angels and demons are not living openly among us at this time.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is true that angels and demons are not living openly among us at this time.

But they could all come out of the closet, as it were, tomorrow.

 

[dad]

But they could all come out of the closet, as it were, tomorrow.

Does that mean you do not believe angels and demons exist?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Does that mean you do not believe angels and demons exist?

It means that they could "come out of the closet," as it were, tomorrow. Agree or disagree?

 

[dad]

It means that they could "come out of the closet," as it were, tomorrow. Agree or disagree?

Answer the question, do you believe in them as real or not?

 

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[TLK Valentine]

Answer the question, do you believe in them as real or not?

We're asking about your beliefs. Stop deflecting.

It doesn't matter what I believe. They're real or not regardless of my opinion.

 

[dad]

We're asking about your beliefs. Stop deflecting.

It doesn't matter what I believe. They're real or not regardless of my opinion.

We shall see how real or not. Since you keep mentioning spirits, we have a right to know if you actually believe they are real or not. When you keep talking about spirits in a closet coming out, one assumes you probably do not, since you mention them in a mocking way.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We shall see how real or not.

Sounds like you don't know... and yet you continue to expound as if you were certain.

Funny, you usually complain when people do that -- other people, that is.

Since you keep mentioning spirits, we have a right to know if you actually believe they are real or not.

Two things:

1: "We"? Got a mouse in your pocket, dad?
2: You have a right to ask. Nothing more.

When you keep talking about spirits in a closet coming out, one assumes you probably do not, since you mention them in a mocking way.

If you actually believed that, you'd have the answer to your own question.

Personally, I don't consider it "mocking" at all... I refer to homosexuals "coming out of the closet" all the time, and I have nothing against them... it's a common enough idiom.

 

[dad]

Sounds like you don't know... and yet you continue to expound as if you were certain.

Funny, you usually complain when people do that -- other people, that is.

Don't pretend I have an honesty problem like some here do. I do believe in very real demons and angels.

Two things:

1: "We"? Got a mouse in your pocket, dad?
2: You have a right to ask. Nothing more.

I don't think we need to ask any more, your replies betray you.

Personally, I don't consider it "mocking" at all... I refer to homosexuals "coming out of the closet" all the time, and I have nothing against them... it's a common enough idiom.

At least you admit they exist.