Has Ellen Degeneres Opened Doors For Christians?

[Arcangl86]

Then apparently you don't know or repeat truth. Perhaps you should do a little homework instead of assuming something that isn't true?

Why do you assume that I didn't do my homework. There are two cases I know of, and in neither one did what you describe happen. But regardless, it doesn't really apply here. Look at it this way. Kim Burrell provides a service. Ellen decided not to purchase that service after Burrell made some comments in public that Ellen disagreed with. In short, Ellen boycotted Burrell, which of course is 100% legal and not the same thing as refusing to sell to somebody because they fall into a protected class.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'll repeat a few scripture
1 Thessalonians 5:22King James Version (KJV)
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Baking the cake for a homosexual ceremony, where they think they are marrying...if a Christian did such, it would appear to be endorsing he event - actually for any other Christian attending also.

eating.....
11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

He also told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. Christ did not condone sin.

Ellen opened the doors wide for people not wishing to endorse sin when she discriminated against someone she had a contract with, and didn't fulfill it. Ellen approved of discrimination, on the grounds, it hurt her feelings.

If one feels that one cannot serve the public then one should not enter into a public business. Once again, Ellen's show is not a public business in that sense. If a person says something that is hate filled and stupid she has every right to cancel their appearance. If a contract was signed she may still have to pay that person's fee, but that is as far as it goes.

The singer still has freedom of speech. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences.

 

[Cimorene]

No, it was not due to behaviour. It was due to a differing political viewpoint. The Americans have just made a behaviour a legal category, also. Equal rights?

Do you think Ellen Degeneres has a differing political viewpoint than George W. Bush?

I'm sorry. Not to be rude, but I am not concerned about Mr Bush. It is 8 years later and Ellen is being allowed to get away with discrimination today.

The reason I asked you is that Ellen Degeneres had a special feature on her show recently with George W. Bush and Laura Bush. They're conservative Christians. Candace Cameron Bure is also very known for being a conservative Christian & she was just on Ellen. So your theory that the gospel singer was disinvited not bc of her vile behaviour but bc of her differing political viewpoint is baseless & illogical.

 

[KCfromNC]

And when they follow her lead, will you be just as pleased?

By choosing to turn their back on bigotry? Sounds good to me. Do you disagree?

If so, then why can bakers, etc., not refuse homosexual celebrations?

No one is forcing anyone to go to homosexual parties.
What in the world are you talking about?

 

[KCfromNC]

The 1st amendment is in effect all the time.

Uh huh. But that doesn't change the fact that it is a restriction on what the government can do and doesn't have anything to do with private employers.

 

[KCfromNC]

Actually, if Ellen's example is worth anything, it should allow butchers, bakers and candlestick makers the right to not endorse that which they fell.

Yep, they are perfectly free to choose not to go on Ellen's show. Or to bring in gospel singers to perform on their TV shows.

But it has nothing to do with turning away minority customers because they're the "wrong" type of people.

 

[KCfromNC]

So, when I enter a butcher shop or a bakery, they're hiring me when I make a purchase?

If this thread has taught me anything, it is that by shopping at a Christian owned bakery they are asking me to sing gospel music.

 

[KCfromNC]

If you actually knew what happened you may have an argument . The Christian had no problem with selling a cake but what they wanted written on it and the topper was the problem.

Not in the example I posted earlier in the thread. In that case the baker had no problem taking their order and only canceled later after the owner stalked the customer on Facebook and learned that the customer was gay. It had nothing to do with the cake and everything to do with the customer being an icky type of minority (in the opinion of the owner).

 

[trunks2k]

Not in the example I posted earlier in the thread. In that case the baker had no problem taking their order and only canceled later after the owner stalked the customer on Facebook and learned that the customer was gay. It had nothing to do with the cake and everything to do with the customer being an icky type of minority (in the opinion of the owner).

Yep, there's two cases I am aware of. One is the one you mentioned where the baker took the order and then found out via facebook that the couple was gay, the other was the baker immediately refused because it was a same sex couple and they never got to the question of the design of the cake (in fact, that was a key point in the ruling).

 

[KCfromNC]

Yep, very strange how the actual cases of Christians exercising their religious freedom to discriminate play out so differently from the right-wing narrative on the subject.

 

[bhsmte]

Is Ellen not serving the public? Has her behaviour not endorsed discrimination just because they don't like the person?

The ellen show is not a public accomodating business, serving the general public. If ellen owned a store on main street and mr or mrs conservatian christian against gays walked in to be served, ellen's store would need to serve them. In choosing the guests on her show, would be the same as a business owner choosing the products they sell.

 

[Mrs.PGL]

If one feels that one cannot serve the public then one should not enter into a public business. Once again, Ellen's show is not a public business in that sense. If a person says something that is hate filled and stupid she has every right to cancel their appearance. If a contract was signed she may still have to pay that person's fee, but that is as far as it goes.

The singer still has freedom of speech. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences.

It is on public television. She has endorsed discrimination on the grounds that it hurt her feelings. She could have followed through on what she contracted, and earned respect, but she chose to discriminate. If the Word of God frightens her that much - perhaps she needs to look at that? Christ came to save us.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Yep, very strange how the actual cases of Christians exercising their religious freedom to discriminate play out so differently from the right-wing narrative on the subject.

I also find it strange that the phrase "religious freedom" is fine for a Christian to tout when wanting to illegally discriminate, but would be conveniently ignored when passing judgement on religions that, for example, take drugs during ceremonies, or if a group wanted to bring back a religion that included temple prostitution.

At least that's the attitude of several Christians I know. I think they must all go to the Church of Perpetual Hypocrisy...

 

[Mrs.PGL]

The reason I asked you is that Ellen Degeneres had a special feature on her show recently with George W. Bush and Laura Bush. They're conservative Christians. Candace Cameron Bure is also very known for being a conservative Christian & she was just on Ellen. So your theory that the gospel singer was disinvited not bc of her vile behaviour but bc of her differing political viewpoint is baseless & illogical.

Not at all. She didn't like Burrell's opinion, and discriminated because it hurt her feelings. Research it like I did. Ellen endorsed discrimination on television.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

It is on public television. She has endorsed discrimination on the grounds that it hurt her feelings. She could have followed through on what she contracted, and earned respect, but she chose to discriminate. If the Word of God frightens her that much - perhaps she needs to look at that? Christ came to save us.

Can you show us the contract that guests sign that promise them money?

Because if you can't, then we can all safely disbelieve that such a thing exists until it can be shown...

 

[Mrs.PGL]

By choosing to turn their back on bigotry? Sounds good to me. Do you disagree?



No one is forcing anyone to go to homosexual parties.
What in the world are you talking about?

But they are being forced to endorse them by photographing them, flower arrangements, and baking wedding cakes. You approve of slavery?

 

[Mrs.PGL]

Yep, they are perfectly free to choose not to go on Ellen's show. Or to bring in gospel singers to perform on their TV shows.

But it has nothing to do with turning away minority customers because they're the "wrong" type of people.

No, she has shown that if one does not agree with another's politics, the person does not need to be recognized. Equality?

 

[bhsmte]

It is on public television. She has endorsed discrimination on the grounds that it hurt her feelings. She could have followed through on what she contracted, and earned respect, but she chose to discriminate. If the Word of God frightens her that much - perhaps she needs to look at that? Christ came to save us.

It is her product and she is free to determine what products she sells, which includes choosing guests.

 

[bhsmte]

But they are being forced to endorse them by photographing them, flower arrangements, and baking wedding cakes. You approve of slavery?

Hilarious!

 

[Mrs.PGL]

The ellen show is not a public accomodating business, serving the general public. If ellen owned a store on main street and mr or mrs conservatian christian against gays walked in to be served, ellen's store would need to serve them. In choosing the guests on her show, would be the same as a business owner choosing the products they sell.

people choose to watch Ellen, the same as walking into a store. Now that she has endorsed discrimination, I'm surprised that my fellow Christians are not screaming to her commercial sponsors.