Once Saved Always Saved - Why is it so hard?

[stuart lawrence]

God wrote down commands within the New Testament for us so that we obey them and not so that we can disobey them. Yes, this can only be possible if one has repented and believed on Jesus as their Savior first. Nobody is disputing that fact. But salvation in Jesus when we first accept Him does not give us the right to go back to our life of sin as if nothing ever happened.


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No one can see the kingdom of heaven unless they are born again

Why not?

Jesus died for the sins of those who have been born again of the Spirit, those who have the law wtitten on their minds and placed on their hearts, for he will be no ones saviour from sin unless they in their heart want to obey hus father

 

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Gal6:2

The LAW of Christ.
So we are under this Law, right?


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No one can see the kingdom of heaven unless they are born again

Why not?

Jesus died for the sins of those who have been born again of the Spirit, those who have the law wtitten on their minds and placed on their hearts, for he will be no ones saviour from sin unless they in their heart want to obey hus father

How can one have the law written in their heart if they are disobeying them by being found as sinners (according to your view on Galatians 2:17)?


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[stuart lawrence]

Jesus did not say the rich ruler was saved. In fact, if you were to read the last verse of that chapter it supports the idea that you do have to give up something in order to inherit eternal life. It is a part of .... denying yourself and picking up your cross. But your gospel message sings another tune. It says, I am found a sinner (as an ongoing state of my walk with God) and yet I can also serve God, too. But Jesus says you cannot serve two masters. For you will hate the one and love the other.


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When you have attained to sinless perfection yourself, criticise me for saying a person is a sinner and a saint at the same time.

The christian in their heart does not want the sin, but I have met no one who claims to be perfect in their flesh, and neither are you

 

[stuart lawrence]

The LAW of Christ.
So we are under this Law, right?


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Christs law us love God and your neighbour, hence Paul's words
When you perfectly love those who malign you, persecute you, steal from you, insult you etc you can say then you perfectly obey Christs law, until then you fall short

 

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No one can see the kingdom of heaven unless they are born again

Why not?

Jesus died for the sins of those who have been born again of the Spirit, those who have the law wtitten on their minds and placed on their hearts, for he will be no ones saviour from sin unless they in their heart want to obey hus father

No one can see the Kingdom of God unless they have a spiritual regeneration by God. This means they will have a new heart and desire to seek to always teach and do what is right according to God's Word. They will not seek to defend how they can sin and still be saved. For the Lord leads me into paths of righteousness for HIS namesake (Psalms 23:3). A person who does not have a new heart to seek God's goodness cannot understand God's Word. They will always keep going back to their old man and try to fill him instead.


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[stuart lawrence]

How can one have the law written in their heart if they are disobeying them by being found as sinners (according to your view on Galatians 2:17)?


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How many times must i tell you. It takes Tim to cross over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness. How many times?

 

[stuart lawrence]

No one can see the Kingdom of God unless they have a spiritual regeneration by God. This means they will have a new heart and desire to seek to always teach and do what is right according to God's Word. They will not seek to defend how they can sin and still be saved. For the Lord leads me into paths of righteousness for HIS namesake (Psalms 23:3). A person who does not have a new heart to seek God's goodness cannot understand God's Word. They will always keep going back to their old man and try to fill him instead.


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Do you commit sin?
If you do, why attack me for saying the christian commits sin?

 

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Christs law us love God and your neighbour, hence Paul's words
When you perfectly love those who malign you, persecute you, steal from you, insult you etc you can say then you perfectly obey Christs law, until then you fall short

Your not making any sense. Please re-word what you just said here.
Galatians 6:2 says there is a Law of Christ.
This means that there is Law for Christians to obey.


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How many times must i tell you. It takes Tim to cross over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness. How many times?

So you believe you can overcome sin in this life?
You believe in Sinless Perfectionism?

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Do you commit sin?
If you do, why attack me for saying the christian commits sin?

You said that we are found as sinners in the present tense (Galatians 2:17). I told you this was in reference to when we first accepted Christ. You disagreed.


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[stuart lawrence]

Your not making any sense. Please re-word what you just said here.
Galatians 6:2 says there is a Law of Christ.
This means that there is Law for Christians to obey.


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Good grief, there us law written on your mind and placed on your heart. Fund a post where I stated law foes not exist, just one post.
But it I not a law of righteousness for the christian

 

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Good grief, there us law written on your mind and placed on your heart. Fund a post where I stated law foes not exist, just one post.
But it I not a law of righteousness for the christian

So there are no Laws of Righteousness that Christians have to obey?
Then what is the Law of Christ?


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[stuart lawrence]

So you believe you can overcome sin in this life?
You believe in Sinless Perfectionism?

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You need to read slower what I write. There are sins that by their very nature will stop you crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness. These get dealt with in the crossing over period.
However you are then a slave of righteousness LEADING to holiness. If you had achieved sinless perfection you would not be being LED into holiness, you would already be fully there

 

[stuart lawrence]

So there are no Laws of Righteousness that Christians have to obey?
Then what is the Law of Christ?


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I've already told you, love God and love your neighbour.
You want that to be a law if righteousness for you?
Are you sure?
Do you want some examples of loving as you should?

 

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You need to read slower what I write. There are sins that by their very nature will stop you crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness. These get dealt with in the crossing over period.
However you are then a slave of righteousness LEADING to holiness. If you had achieved sinless perfection you would not be being LED into holiness, you would already be fully there

You are misreading Romans 6:22.

It says that holiness is already a reality for them.
Their fruit is already unto holiness and their end is everlasting life.

"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life" (Romans 6:22).


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I've already told you, love God and love your neighbour.
You want that to be a law if righteousness for you?
Are you sure?
Do you want some examples of loving as you should?

Are you making a case that I should sin or that I should treat sin lightly and that I should just forget about keeping God's laws (in the New Testament) or seeking to obey even more of them by His power working in me?

Again, allowing Christ do the good work thru me in obeying His Word is not contrary to my belief in Him as my Savior. Jesus helped to forgive me of my past sins by my repentance and belief in Him. Then from there, Jesus works in my life.


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I've already told you, love God and love your neighbour.
You want that to be a law if righteousness for you?
Are you sure?
Do you want some examples of loving as you should?

Love God and love your neighbor are also commandments by Jesus Christ.
So are we not under these laws of righteousness?


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[stuart lawrence]

You are misreading Romans 6:22.

It says that holiness is already a reality for them.
Their fruit is already unto holiness and their end is everlasting life.

"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life" (Romans 6:22).


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Back up to verse 19

So now offer them in slavery to righteousness LEADING to holiness

Heb 10:14

For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are BEING made holy

If you are being made holy you are being led into holiness, you are not already perfectly holy.

I need a break, been at Thi a looooong Time with you

 

[stuart lawrence]

Are you making a case that I should sin or that I should treat sin lightly and that I should just forget about keeping God's laws (in the New Testament) or seeking to obey even more of them by His power working in me?


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If you are born again you cant treat sin lightly can you, the law is on your heart.

But if you want a law of righteousness, firstly accept what the standard I to be righteous under the law.

Break time!!!!