A flat earth, and Noah's Ark.

[JackRT]

Ya, those mirages are inverted and distorted... I have looked into this.
Rob Skiba debunked that when they went to the opposite side of the lake to Chicago. They could see the Chicago skyline. It should have been beyond the curve of the earth. They took the camera in a boat, and without breaking the video recording, all in one shot, no editing, drove the boat across the lake and the skyline just got bigger and bigger and closer and closer...........no mirage, no lensing, no warbling or inversion....it was fact and not fiction.....visible.

Most of your claims involve looking over water. I grew up in southern Saskatchewan, an extremely flat landscape, and things behaved properly for a spherical earth. I can still remember vividly driving west across Alberta and seeing the mountains emerge from over the horizon. I have a very great suspicion about some of your claims. If they are true is suspect an atmospheric lensing effect as I mentioned a few posts ago.

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

You may want to re-think the whole "we cannot see that far" evidence. People are now realizing that they can actually see things, over oceans and large lakes, that should be well around the curve of the earth.

The earths curve is calculated, for all intents and purposes, as I am not a surveyor.... the number of miles, squared, times 8 inches.

So, for 30 miles. 30 x 30 x 8inches.
Equals 900 x 8 inches
Equals 7200 inches. Divided by 12 Equals 600 feet.

So, an object sitting on the ocean 30 miles away should be 600 feet below the horizon. Understand so far?

Then, watch this as people see the Toronto skyline from 30 miles away and can see the whole CN tower. They should only be able to see part of it, right?

Calculate it for yourself.
Earth Curve Calculator

Here are some more:

The Isle of Wight lighthouse in England is 180 feet high and can be seen up to 42 miles away, a distance at which modern astronomers say the light should fall 996 feet below line of sight.

The Cape L’Agulhas lighthouse in South Africa is 33 feet high, 238 feet above sea level, and can be seen for over 50 miles. If the world was a globe, this light would fall 1,400 feet below an observer’s line of sight!

The Statue of Liberty in New York stands 326 feet above sea level and on a clear day can be seen as far as 60 miles away. If the Earth was a globe, that would put Lady Liberty at an impossible 2,074 feet below the horizon!

The lighthouse at Port Said, Egypt, at an elevation of only 60 feet has been seen an astonishing 58 miles away, where, according to modern astronomy it should be 2,182 feet below the line of sight!

Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!

First of all, I have no reason to believe your anecdotal "evidence." Secondly, I am sure that if they are true, that there are good scientific reasons for these anomalies that have nothing to do with a flat earth. Third, if your hypothesis was even close to being true, there would be thousands, if not millions, of scientists pushing this perspective. There is not. In fact, there are very few people who would agree with you, probably about the same number who think that no one has ever been to the moon.

 

[patdee]

I believe that, according to Paul's demonstration; Noah may have lived on a flat earth and would have had no problem boarding on the ark, all the animals that God requested; without an issue.

There is NO evidence on earth that it was ever flat. Yet

I believe that, according to Paul's demonstration; Noah may have lived on a flat earth and would have had no problem boarding on the ark, all the animals that God requested; without an issue.

I believe that, according to Paul's demonstration; Noah may have lived on a flat earth and would have had no problem boarding on the ark, all the animals that God requested; without an issue.

 

[patdee]

Just consider that in 1492 AD, MOST of the world believed the earth was indeed flatter than a pancake. Why did they believe this? "Elementary my dear Watson"................................

It LOOKS flat to the human eye. That's why! That is the ONLY evidence that any one had that it was flat. Of course, in time, our ignorance's are often proven dead wrong. Such is the case with a "flat" earth.

So what does a person, who considers themselves educated in physics today; do WHEN their minds have been brainwashed to believe the earth is, or was, flat; and now there is positive proof that it is round, and NOT flat?

"Elementary........"

They simply come up with another satan-led, off the wall theory; that will satisfy that innate quest; to make something wrong, simply because many believe it to be so and/or appears to be so. Thus; Paul may indeed have believed the earth was flat during the "Great Flood", but it was NOT so. It has NEVER been flat. Reason: It could not have existed as a flat entity and "evolved" into a "spherical" reality of the size that it is. NO way. A person can learn that in 7th grade science. And it can be proven.

Believe what you wish. Same for me, but one of the many things that make Christians look and sound like they are fools; is the notion that the world is or was flat. Rubbish "Gar-on-teed"!

Finally, NOT every thing that scientists believe and preach is right either. They have been PROVEN wrong on many issues, by later more educated scientists. I say this to defray their desire to use the above to PROVE that "there is no God" and "evolution is a proven fact". NO it has never been proven; for that is a bold faced LIE. So scientist can be just as ignorant as those they look down upon; and often are even more ignorant, believe it or not.

In a word, the ONLY truth, void of ANY lies, is Jesus. Yes, even Paul made mistakes at times. OH indeed yes. So did all the disciples. ALL of the writers of the bible made mistakes. OH indeed yes. The errors ARE there. ALL will know this to be truth absolute on judgment day. Oh yes indeed. Mark me words.

In any case, may Jesus richly bless you always,

patdee

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

There is NO evidence on earth that it was ever flat. Yet

True. From a mere human perspective, the earth seemed to be flat, so it was deemed so. But Magellan circumnavigated the globe and disproved this naïve perception and since then, jets and satellites (and their photos) have over-abundantly confirmed it. And all scientists agree. It makes me want to call ugly names on those few people who refuse to believe these facts.

 

[preachergirl]

They are hiding God with the greatest lie ever, Doktor James-youtube.

The reason my mind no longer prevents me from taking in new information is because I learned that without new information it only knows what it believes today.

I argue that there is evidence against the belief that planes travel around the world, at-least via the shortest believed routes.

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

I believe that, according to Paul's demonstration; Noah may have lived on a flat earth and would have had no problem boarding on the ark, all the animals that God requested; without an issue.

What exactly do you mean by "Paul's demonstration"?

You might want to check out the scriptural facts:
www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

They are hiding God with the greatest lie ever, Doktor James-youtube.

The reason my mind no longer prevents me from taking in new information is because I learned that without new information it only knows what it believes today.

I argue that there is evidence against the belief that planes travel around the world, at-least via the shortest believed routes.

Of the many thousands (if not millions) of scientists on our earth, find me ten who agree with you. Look to all the Christians who are also scientists, how many can you find to agree with this absurd proposition?

 

[Adam81]

I believe that, according to Paul's demonstration; Noah may have lived on a flat earth and would have had no problem boarding on the ark, all the animals that God requested; without an issue.

It's been understood for a century or more that Noah's Ark (and other Genesis creation stories such as Adam & Eve and the 7 days of creation) were never intended to be seen as a literal account but rather as parables written during exile in Babylon. They were based on Babylonian beliefs, with differences to show how the Jewish God i so much more amazing than the Babylonian gods. During exile, young Jews were being taught Babylonian beliefs and Jewish beliefs were in danger of being wiped out.
The difference between the Babylonian and Jewish versions of Noah's Ark is that after the flood and all the so called wicked people of the earth were wiped out, the best and most holy person in the universe still sinned in a perfect and holy environment away from the wickedness of the world. Many people still don't understand this point and keep thinking they will be better people if they could get rid of the wicked people of the earth.

 

[Adam81]

No, why would you say that, is it in the KJV Bible?
If it is not addressed in the KJV Bible, it is not an issue and none of our concern. Please don't confuse the wisdom of God with, "with enticing words of man's wisdom." 1 Corinthians 2:4.

The KJV bible is not God and therefore shouldn't be worshipped as God. God is far more complex than the words of people, and the bible is still man's understanding of God.

 

[Goatee]

Ok, I'll bite. We have been told, since we were kids that the earth was a globe. Our classrooms had a globe model of the earth, everyone was told how ignorant people used to be when they believed the world was flat... I get it. And, I believe the earth is a sphere.

However, you have stated that you don't need NASA to tell you that the earth is round... So, do tell, what is there that you can use to prove that the earth is a sphere, without using anything NASA has told, taught or shown you?

Look at the people i linked to. They worked it out without NASA. Scientifically etc.

 

[Goatee]

First, you can fly around a flat earth model. You can sail around it too.

Second, there is this phenomenon that is contradictory to a ball shaped earth. If you stood on a large sphere and then could be lifted off of it by helicopter, as you were lifted you would see farther out. Your horizon would become further away. Now, on this ball, as the horizon got further away, it would be further below you as it would have to drop away, being spherical.
Same should happen with the earth. As you go up you can see farther, the farther you see the further away the objects are that you see, the further away they are the further around the curve they would be and thus, they would be further below you.

If you go up in a plane, however, the horizon is always at eye level.... no matter how high up you go, there it is. This is an anomaly that confuses me.

You cannot go high enough in a 'plane' to see the desired effect!

 

[Goatee]

If the earth was flat one could stand on Everest and with powerful telescope and see me doing the gardening in the UK!!!!

 

[daleksteve]

I believe that, according to Paul's demonstration; Noah may have lived on a flat earth and would have had no problem boarding on the ark, all the animals that God requested; without an issue.

The Earth is not flat Kenneth, neither was it during Noah's time.

My main problem with Noah and his ark is that he would have had to defy the laws of Physics to make a boat big enough for male and female of every animal. Therefore it's likely he took babyanimals or not all of them.

 

[squirrel123]

Not to mention astronauts in orbit.

Or anyone who lives in the Southern hemisphere, who can tell how badly the so-called "flat-earth maps" are distorted, because they actually travel those distances...

 

[JackRT]

There have been several attempts at flat maps of the world but all introduce distortion because you cannot project a spherical surface onto a flat one without doing so. You can verify this for yourself by carefully peeling and orange and trying to keep the peel all in one piece and then trying to lay it flat. The most commonly seen flat earth map is the Mercator Projection. On this map the distortion in the polar regions is so severe that Greenland appears to be the same size as Africa when in fact Africa is fourteen times larger.

 

[JacksBratt]

First of all, I have no reason to believe your anecdotal "evidence." Secondly, I am sure that if they are true, that there are good scientific reasons for these anomalies that have nothing to do with a flat earth. Third, if your hypothesis was even close to being true, there would be thousands, if not millions, of scientists pushing this perspective. There is not. In fact, there are very few people who would agree with you, probably about the same number who think that no one has ever been to the moon.

Think of that for a second. There are good "scientific" reasons. Well if the scientists are the ones perpetuating the lie... then, of course, they will come up with some spin and convoluted theory that sounds good but may have as much weight as men and monkeys having the same ancestors.

The thing is..........IF the world is flat......it kills evolution, it kills intelligent life on some other planet.....

How many scientists are young earth creationists?... How much flack do they get for that alone?

Do they really want to say "Hey, not only do I think evolution is a farce, but, I think the earth is flat".... Ya, ok I'm sure they would lose whatever credentials they had left after their Young earth, creation and flood beliefs.

If you have "no Reason" to believe it" go test it for yourself.

 

[JacksBratt]

True. From a mere human perspective, the earth seemed to be flat, so it was deemed so. But Magellan circumnavigated the globe and disproved this naïve perception and since then, jets and satellites (and their photos) have over-abundantly confirmed it. And all scientists agree. It makes me want to call ugly names on those few people who refuse to believe these facts.

You can circumnavigate the flat earth model....In fact:

In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

Note how far he sailed..... 60,000 miles. How many times could you sail around the "perceived" continent of Antarctica and still not sail 60,000 miles?

Try this for an answer:

“Yes, but we can circumnavigate the South easily enough,’ is often said by those who don't know, The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region - indirectly, to be sure - but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles - a stretch long enough to have taken her six times round on the globular hypothesis.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (78)

 

[Goatee]

Think of that for a second. There are good "scientific" reasons. Well if the scientists are the ones perpetuating the lie... then, of course, they will come up with some spin and convoluted theory that sounds good but may have as much weight as men and monkeys having the same ancestors.

The thing is..........IF the world is flat......it kills evolution, it kills intelligent life on some other planet.....

How many scientists are young earth creationists?... How much flack do they get for that alone?

Do they really want to say "Hey, not only do I think evolution is a farce, but, I think the earth is flat".... Ya, ok I'm sure they would lose whatever credentials they had left after their Young earth, creation and flood beliefs.

If you have "no Reason" to believe it" go test it for yourself.

Imagine if you were right that would mean 1,000s of scientists from all around the world, space agencies, governments, maybe millions of people have been DELIBERATELY lying about the earth being round!!!!

Why?

 

[JacksBratt]

True. From a mere human perspective, the earth seemed to be flat, so it was deemed so. But Magellan circumnavigated the globe and disproved this naïve perception and since then, jets and satellites (and their photos) have over-abundantly confirmed it. And all scientists agree. It makes me want to call ugly names on those few people who refuse to believe these facts.

I agree, satellites are something I hang on to as a globe earth believer. However, if you want to prove a globe using air traffic, be careful. This topic is more of a feather in the cap for pro flat earthers. Many flights are long connecting flights with no apparent reason, on the globe, however, on the flat earth model,...they are the shortest straightest flight path. So, be careful.