How hell can make sense...

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[victorinus]

yet He will have indignation for ever?

you are using the old testament to trump the new one?

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[victorinus]

Here are some things I have thought as to the wicked being punished for ever and ever in torment.

did you ever wonder how you could have a good time while someone next door was suffering?

 

[Chriliman]

Here are some things I have thought as to the wicked being punished for ever and ever in torment.

Why didn't God just make the wicked be the slaves of the righteous? carry the harps, cook the meals, clean up heaven messes from dinners or such?
Okay, there are slaves on earth today, yet people still sin against God.

Why not just make them like moose heads hanging on a wall? People could even smack them every now and then for their sins.
But would this payment be good enough and
keep all others from ever sinning again?
Even angels have fallen in the past.

Have also thought that the constant torment may be so the wicked never have time to be evil against the righteous anymore. But that does not make sense because the wicked will be everlastingly abhorred by the just people.

Daniel 12:2 shows that they rise - to shame and everlasting contempt.
The word contempt fits right along with the scene at the end of Isaiah 66 as to abhorred.
It means - abhor. Why would the just abhorred -everlastingly someone that no longer existed?

All things are made new in the glorified eternal age, why would there be dead corpses to cause abhorrence during that age?

 

[Chriliman]

did you ever wonder how you could have a good time while someone next door was suffering?

That actually happens all the time in this world, although we may not be aware of the suffering, but I hope that isn't what happens in the glorified eternal age to come. I really hope God ends all suffering everywhere.

 

[victorinus]

I really hope God ends all suffering everywhere.

do you believe he can?
-and-
if so, why wouldn't He end it?

 

[Chriliman]

do you believe he can?

Yes, all things are possible with God.

-and-
if so, why wouldn't He end it?

I can't conceive of any reason why God wouldn't desire to end all suffering.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Der Alte]

Mechanical Translation
בְּיוֹם

bê'yom
יוֹם

yom
The Hebrew word <wy, day is used three different ways in this section. In Genesis 1:3 the light is called day which would be about 12 hours. At the end of this verse it says that it was evening and morning day one which would be 24 hours. Then in Genesis 2:4 it says, "in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens." Here <wy refers to the six days of creation. The phrase "in the day" is beyom which means "when." Beyom is used at the beginning of ANE creation stories.
Psalm 90:4 says, "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday" and 2 Peter 3:8 says, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The "Day of the Lord" seems to be a period of time not just 24 hours. So one must depend on the context to determine what the meaning of "day" is.
IBSS - The Bible - Genesis 1:3-5 DAY 1 - Day One

This source also says,

The ancient Jews would not have read a Day-Age theory into Genesis one. They would understood these days as regular 24 hour days. There is the question, Did the day begin at evening or morning? For the Jews the day begins with the evening at dusk. For example, the Sabbath begins on Friday evening (See Stroes 1966, 473; VT 16; Westermann, 115).​

Here are three Jewish translations of Genesis 2:17. The 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation, 225 BC Septuagint [LXX] and the pre-Christian Targum.

JPS Gen 2:17
(17) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.'
LXX Gen 2:17
(17) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil--of it ye shall not eat, but in whatsoever day ye eat of it, ye shall surely die.
Targum Gen 2;17 And the Lord God commanded Adam, saying, Of every tree of the garden eating thou mayest eat. But of the tree of whose fruit they who eat (become) wise to know between good and evil, thou shalt not eat: for in the day that thou eatest thou wilt be guilty of death. ​

Let us note these criteria as they are employed in Genesis 2:4. The noun

yom is joined to the preposition be to read beyom. Secondly, it is used in a construct relation with the infinitive form of &#145asah, "to make." It reads literally, "in the day of making." This combination of the singular with a preposition in construct with an infinitive98 makes this combination a "temporal conjunction,"99 which serves as a "general introduction of time."100
G. F. Hasel - The "Days" of Creation in Genesis 1

Also from this link.

The author concludes with ten considerations which support the concept of a literal creation week with seven consecutive, twenty-four-hour days.​

The word yom is 1 day, 24 hours, some people try to make it mean a period of time in order to bring in evolution, but it is not accurate at all. It is beyom and other variations if it that can mean a longer period of time.

Conjecture not supported by the sources cited.

 

[Der Alte]

All things are made new in the glorified eternal age, why would there be dead corpses to cause abhorrence during that age?

This reflects a "pick and choose" theology. One just picks and chooses which verses to base their beliefs on and either ignores or tries to explain away the verses they don't like. Note three verses after the words "I make all things new" Jesus said there were several groups of people who will still be thrown into the LoF.

Revelation 21:5
(5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8
(8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

 

[mmksparbud]

This source also says,

The ancient Jews would not have read a Day-Age theory into Genesis one. They would understood these days as regular 24 hour days. There is the question, Did the day begin at evening or morning? For the Jews the day begins with the evening at dusk. For example, the Sabbath begins on Friday evening (See Stroes 1966, 473; VT 16; Westermann, 115).​

Here are three Jewish translations of Genesis 2:17. The 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation, 225 BC Septuagint [LXX] and the pre-Christian Targum.

JPS Gen 2:17
(17) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.'
LXX Gen 2:17
(17) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil--of it ye shall not eat, but in whatsoever day ye eat of it, ye shall surely die.
Targum Gen 2;17 And the Lord God commanded Adam, saying, Of every tree of the garden eating thou mayest eat. But of the tree of whose fruit they who eat (become) wise to know between good and evil, thou shalt not eat: for in the day that thou eatest thou wilt be guilty of death. ​

Also from this link.

The author concludes with ten considerations which support the concept of a literal creation week with seven consecutive, twenty-four-hour days.​

Conjecture not supported by the sources cited.

LOL! You go right ahead and pick and choose whatever translation meets your little reconceived ideas!! If you reads it in the original language, which was given to you, you can see even in the pictographs that the word day is written differently in Gen 1 of creation week, and Gen 2---it is obvious, no need to stretch anything and you still refuse to believe it!! It is a literal creation week, no one is denying that!!!
What if obvious is that the word for day in the creation story and the word for day when God tells Adam that they will die if they eat of the tree is very different, it is clearly written differently, and you still can not admit that!!

בְּיוֹם

bê'yom

יוֹם

yom

CREATION WEEK----LITERAL 24 HR DAY----ON THE DAY YOU EAT YOU WILL DAY---NOT LITERAL!!
It is clearly obvious---refuse it all you want.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[victorinus]

So you think OT people burn and get abhorred forever, but the NT people don't-they just burn up?

just to be clear I can't respect anyone who uses an ot quote to challenge my nt
-and-
I am not worried about the ot people who were redeemed the same time we were

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[victorinus]

Today people have good times, while
others elsewhere in the world are starving

this is not heaven -
this is not salvation -
this is a test to see what we will do

 

[victorinus]

Their worm shall not die.

do you want these people to suffer forever?
it doesn't look good on you

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[victorinus]

The "test" as you call it has to do with will you stand up for the writings in Scripture?

the nt test is how you treat your neighbor