The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

[Derek Meyer]

An online friend of mine happens to be a theoretical physicist and he has made me wonder if Ezekiel chapter 37 happens again and again and again and again as The G-d of Abraham, the Creator of heaven and earth, replicates a moment in what we think of as the past...… and spins off a new time line?

The implications of this are pretty heavy!

For example I recently read chapter 5 of "Saved By The Light" again by Dannion Brinkley. He had been shown a future where the major events of the Book of Revelation were fulfilled....... but...… was he shown the most recent time line that had already occurred..... and are we now in a new time line where our choices and our prayers can positively alter the future????

To me, it wouldn't make any difference what happened billions of years ago. Mutiverses or non-multiverses or not. It's not going to affect life as I know it.

 

[DennisTate]

I think not. Scripture describes that God has already "played out" all events that we call future.
But He does give us the opportunity to trust in Him that it's all for our benefit.
Having faith is a choice we have.

Dannion Brinkley had a near death experience back in 1975....
he was shown a lot of future events....
by writing down what he was shown....
many of us learned from what he saw and changed our behaviour...

Perhaps those experiences are modern examples of
the visions given to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the minor prophets and
the author of Revelation......

We can learn a lot from what Dannion Brinkley saw about
the final anti-Christ.......

http://www.qsl.net/w5www/brinkley.html

BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services.

 

[DennisTate]

I think not. Scripture describes that God has already "played out" all events that we call future.
But He does give us the opportunity to trust in Him that it's all for our benefit.
Having faith is a choice we have.

Then would this mean that nothing new can occur?

Would this mean that God is not allowed to use the physical creation as a stage in which we
accomplish something new?

 

[DennisTate]

To me, it wouldn't make any difference what happened billions of years ago. Mutiverses or non-multiverses or not. It's not going to affect life as I know it.

Isn't this using the information that you have been taught about God to
NAIL God down to being limited.... and unable to do / allow / permit or organize anything new?

 

[SkyWriting]

Then would this mean that nothing new can occur?

Would this mean that God is not allowed to use the physical creation as a stage in which we
accomplish something new?

From our limited point of view, all the future is new.
Our challenge is to see The Fathers point of view.

 

[DennisTate]

From our limited point of view, all the future is new.
Our challenge is to see The Fathers point of view.

Maybe The Father sees our choices in this new time line as truly new as well?

Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

They replied, "We want you to do what you want to do. That means making choices and there isn't necessarily any right choice. There are a spectrum of possibilities, and you should make the best choice you can from those possibilities. If you do that, we will be there helping you."

Perhaps we are in a genuinely new time line.....
learning new lessons... that we did not learn in quite the same way
in the last possible time line and maybe.... maybe.....
God loves each of us so much that God creates something
almost like clones of us.......
that live out their lives in new time lines......
Maybe.... .we will meet different versions of ourselves in heaven????

A heaven in which some people were brought to salvation... that were lost in
other time lines?

 

[SkyWriting]

Maybe The Father sees our choices in this new time line as truly new as well?

Nope.
Your life was scripted before the earth was formed.

22"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. 23"From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth.

 

[DennisTate]

Nope.
Your life was scripted before the earth was formed.

22"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. 23"From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth.

That is certainly a very common belief......
I've been encouraged to think that way over the years but.....

1 Kings Chapter 19 (KJV)

1Kings 19:9

¶
"And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?"
........

1Ki 19:13

¶
"And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?"

Another school of thought is that we have genuine freedom of thought
and we can speed up..... or slow down... the general plan of God for the
earth through having more or less faith...... more or less obedience......

God didn't seem to want Elijah to be at Mt. Horeb at that time.....
God may have wanted something more so along the line of II Kings chapter 1
to occur..... and if it had.... .then perhaps Israel could have been returned to
God and the captivity under the cruel Assyrian Empire could have been delayed or
prevented........

many prophecies are clearly stated to be conditional upon obedience or
disobedience.

2Ki 1:10

¶
"And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty."

I believe that what we pray makes a difference.....
and how we pray can alter the future of the earth.....

The general plan of God is worked out according to how much of the Holy Spirit is
poured out on humanity...... and on all flesh.... and our prayers can speed up the
outpouring......


Matthew 21:22

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."

 

[SkyWriting]

"And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?"

We already know:
138 Bible verses about God, All Knowing
so we don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise
anytime God asks man a question He knows the answer to.

9 Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"

 

[Thursday]

Nope.
Your life was scripted before the earth was formed.

22"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. 23"From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth.

This has nothing to do with your free will. God has known you from the beginning, including the choices you will make. If you are damned, it is not God's fault, it is your fault.

 

[DennisTate]

This has nothing to do with your free will. God has known you from the beginning, including the choices you will make. If you are damned, it is not God's fault, it is your fault.

This is a common belief but some of those people who have a brush with death that
includes an out of body experience and/ or near death experience have been shown
something somewhat different:


Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

They replied, "We want you to do what you want to do. That means making choices and there isn't necessarily any right choice. There are a spectrum of possibilities, and you should make the best choice you can from those possibilities. If you do that, we will be there helping you."

I didn't give in easily. I argued that back there was full of problems and that here was everything I could possibly want. I questioned my ability to accomplish anything they would consider important in my world. They said the world is a beautiful expression of the Supreme being. One can find beauty or ugliness depending on what one directs one's mind toward. They explained that the subtle and complex development of our world was beyond my comprehension, but I would be a suitable instrument for the Creator. Every part of the creation, they explained, is infinitely interesting because it is a manifestation of the Creator. A very important opportunity for me would be to explore this world with wonder and enjoyment.

They never gave me a direct mission or purpose. Could I build a shrine or cathedral for God? They said those monuments were for humanity. They wanted me to live my life to love people not things. I told them I wasn't good enough to represent what I had just experienced with them on a worldly level. They assured me I would be given appropriate help whenever I might need it. All I had to do is ask.

 

[DennisTate]

We already know:
138 Bible verses about God, All Knowing
so we don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise
anytime God asks man a question He knows the answer to.

9 Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"

But the question remains.....
is G-d so powerful that G-d can create being that have genuine freedom of choice.......
even the freedom to make bad choices......
that they learn from in a different way than if they had made much better choices?

 

[Thursday]

This is a common belief but some of those people who have a brush with death that
includes an out of body experience and/ or near death experience have been shown
something somewhat different:


Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

That's interesting. I enjoy reading near death experience recollections.

Check out many more here: nderf.org

 

[DennisTate]

That's interesting. I enjoy reading near death experience recollections.

Check out many more here: nderf.org

Near death experience accounts have profoundly affected my understanding of
many scriptures over these past twenty six years since I began to study them a
great deal.

God's many plans for the Gay community???????

Poll: God's many plans for the Gay community???????

....
I am pretty sure it is over five years since I read the NDE of Mr. Christian Andreason. His NDE account has had a major impact on my life.

As a former follower of Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad Mr. Herbert Armstong I must admit that these statements put me into some serious cognitive dissonance at first!!!!??


.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

What about sexually diverse people?

If this world was to ever find out just a small amount of what sexually diverse (gay) people are here to do on this planet, there would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again. Instead there would be great respect! People who speak disrespectful things about people of this orientation ... enact judgment, and do so from a place of unenlightenment, insecurity, ego and socially induced prejudice. Some may use mistranslated scriptures taught to them, not by the Holy Spirit ... but by fear-filled human beings. Many will choose to sustain a Divinely unsupported satanic hate-based rage against these children of God, rather than using Love to bring understanding and healing between both peoples. Christ said, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! When people sling condemnation, judgment and bitterness at others, they are not practicing the great commandment. They are allowing their Souls to fall into darkness.

Five or six years later on and finally I feel confident enough to go into specifics as to what I strongly suspect are a few of the actual plans that the God of Abraham, the Creator of heaven and earth has in mind for the Gay community!!!!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...God's many plans for the Gay community...

I'm sure they'll be glad to hear what you think are God's plans for them... "At last!", they will cry, "We have a purpose in life! Let us cease our current occupations, and go follow God's plans as told to us by some bloke on the internet..."

 

[DennisTate]

I'm sure they'll be glad to hear what you think are God's plans for them... "At last!", they will cry, "We have a purpose in life! Let us cease our current occupations, and go follow God's plans as told to us by some bloke on the internet..."

At least anybody who reads the discussion is glad for this statistic:

• "I have really never considered this idea before???
  13 vote(s)
  27.7%"
  
  
  ......

 

[Subduction Zone]

This has nothing to do with your free will. God has known you from the beginning, including the choices you will make. If you are damned, it is not God's fault, it is your fault.

This is not logically consistent. If God knew what you were going to be like when he made the world, and his supposedly all powerful, then it is God's fault.

Luckily there is only very weak evidence for your God so that is not a real worry at all.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

At least anybody who reads the discussion is glad for this statistic:

• "I have really never considered this idea before???
  13 vote(s)
  27.7%"

Lol! I doubt it - but why not do another loaded poll to see?

 

[DennisTate]

This is not logically consistent. If God knew what you were going to be like when he made the world, and his supposedly all powerful, then it is God's fault.

Luckily there is only very weak evidence for your God so that is not a real worry at all.

Former Atheist near death experiencer Howard Storm
came back from his NDE with the impression that we have a
panorama of choices ahead of us.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Former Atheist near death experiencer Howard Storm
came back from his NDE with the impression that we have a
panorama of choices ahead of us.

Yes, quite a few people have been fooled by that phenomenon.

You are aware that there appear to be rational explanations for NDE's, I hope.