Why the Catholic Church changes the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I read this several times, trying to figure out what you were saying...

Your signature line.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Lord's Day" is a specific Greek Phrase used by the Greek Church to refer to the "eighth day" aka the "resurrection day."

That <<The Lord's Day" is a specific Greek Phrase used by the Greek Church>> is an absolute useless truth.

That the contemporary Greek Church refers to the "eighth day", is another absolute useless truth. That the Catholic Church refers to the Lord's Day as "eighth day", is one most useful lie for it.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

the fact that the consensus of scholars is that they are authentic.

O yes, the consensus of Roman Catholic scholars, which says it all.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Lord's Day" is a specific Greek Phrase used by the Greek Church to refer to the "eighth day" aka the "resurrection day." We know this from letters of the Early Church Fathers. Bob's only answer to this is a desperate ploy to say that all these letters are frauds, despite the fact that the consensus of scholars is that they are authentic. The earliest one is Ignatius Letter to the Magnesians, AD 110 or earlier, which states that they meet on the Lord's day instead of the Sabbath.

You failed. Had you had an eternity to place an instance, you still would have failed. ... And be wrong. ... And be thinking we're stupid. We two Sabbatharians BR and GE may not be the best of friends, but we are the only ones of all the millions of Sabbatharians, who have the guts to tell the facts 'bald headed' as we say in my taal.

 

[BobRyan]

Here is an example of - on topic posting.

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Instructing us to worship on the Lord's Day rather than the Sabbath is not a "commandment of Men"

Well that is true - in Isaiah 58:13 we are to worship on the Lord's Day - the "Holy Day of the Lord" which in Isaiiah 58 is identified as Sabbath. Even your own "Faith Explained" documents admits to it.

It just does not get any easier than that

But in Mark 7 Christ is condemning a commandment of the Church in his day -- the one TRUE nation church started by God at Sinai with system in place for choosing successors and selecting members of the holy priesthood. It is THEY who are being condemned --- yes even THEY.

Ah your old argument

True - Bible details - are pretty old.

that has been repeatedly debunked.

Nope. The Bible has not been debunked by simply ignoring it and appealing to tradition instead.

The "Holy Day of the Lord" is not the same thing as "The Lord's Day."

Correction "the Sabbath is the Holy Day of the LORD" is in fact a much stronger Bible-case for the Lord's Day than

1. NO Text saying week-day-1 is "the Holy Day of the LORD"
2. NO Text saying week-day-1 is "the LORD's Day"

What is interesting is that even your own RCC (for example Pope - John Paul II) admits that in the Bible the Lord's Day is the Sabbath as originally given by God - and so also does your own RCC commentary on the Baltimore Catechism "The Faith Explained" admit the same thing!

Why not give consideration to being in agreement with your own RCC statements?

That is what we call a "slam dunk" debunk of the week-day-1 over Bible Sabbath argument. Each time you ask that these details be brought back up - I am more than happy to comply with your invitation.

It just does not get any easier than this!

Bob, I'm no longer going to answer posts where you quote the previous three posts. It's too much work to try to figure out exactly which part is the post to which you are actually replying. .

I think we are starting to come to an understanding. Especially on the fact that even your own church agrees to the Isaiah 58:13 "Lord's day is the Bible Sabbath as God gave it" idea in places like Isaiah 58.

 

[Meowzltov]

Bob, by quoting, Holy Scripture, is dishonest!?

Quoting Scripture out of context is dishonest, especially when you have been corrected.

Ignoring historical documents is also dishonest.

 

[Meowzltov]

But you, quoting no Scripture nor any <<first or second century documents>> for your dishonest groundless plain false claims, is honest?!

You are a Johnny come lately in a very old argument. jQuite frankly, you have a lot of chutzpah to think you know what I've said or not said in this argument.
1. Scripture says nothing about what weekday the Lord's Day is.
2. I have repeatedly quoted Ignatius' letter to the Magnesians noting that Sabbath worship was replaced by worship on the Lord's Day.

 

[Meowzltov]

Your signature line.

What about it?

 

[Meowzltov]

O yes, the consensus of Roman Catholic scholars, which says it all.

Not just Catholic Scholars. Scholars in general.

 

[Meowzltov]

We two Sabbatharians BR and GE

Actually it's three of us. I keep Sabbath too, rather strictly.

Shabbat Shalom

 

[BobRyan]

Three of us it is -- and even your own RCC affirms that ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments remain for Christians.

Meanwhile we also have these details

Here is an example of - on topic posting.

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Well that is true - in Isaiah 58:13 we are to worship on the Lord's Day - the "Holy Day of the Lord" which in Isaiiah 58 is identified as Sabbath. Even your own "Faith Explained" documents admits to it.

It just does not get any easier than that

But in Mark 7 Christ is condemning a commandment of the Church in his day -- the one TRUE nation church started by God at Sinai with system in place for choosing successors and selecting members of the holy priesthood. It is THEY who are being condemned --- yes even THEY.



True - Bible details - are pretty old.



Nope. The Bible has not been debunked by simply ignoring it and appealing to tradition instead.



Correction "the Sabbath is the Holy Day of the LORD" is in fact a much stronger Bible-case for the Lord's Day than

1. NO Text saying week-day-1 is "the Holy Day of the LORD"
2. NO Text saying week-day-1 is "the LORD's Day"

What is interesting is that even your own RCC (for example Pope - John Paul II) admits that in the Bible the Lord's Day is the Sabbath as originally given by God - and so also does your own RCC commentary on the Baltimore Catechism "The Faith Explained" admit the same thing!

Why not give consideration to being in agreement with your own RCC statements?

That is what we call a "slam dunk" debunk of the week-day-1 over Bible Sabbath argument. Each time you ask that these details be brought back up - I am more than happy to comply with your invitation.

It just does not get any easier than this!




I think we are starting to come to an understanding. Especially on the fact that even your own church agrees to the Isaiah 58:13 "Lord's day is the Bible Sabbath as God gave it" idea in places like Isaiah 58.

 

[Meowzltov]

Three of us it is -- and even your own RCC affirms that ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments remain for Christians.

Meanwhile we also have these details

You are the only person I know of that ROUTINELY, CONSTANTLY quotes himself. Have you ever stopped to think how that comes across?

 

[BobRyan]

You are the only person I know of that ROUTINELY, CONSTANTLY quotes himself. Have you ever stopped to think how that comes across?

Aside from constant ad hominem rant complaining about scripture being posted or some inconvenient details of history being exposed - such as that above -- do you ever make a point that can be supported by the Word of God these days? What thread would that be??

I would enjoy reading a few lines of that from you - for a change.

 

[Meowzltov]

Aside from constant ad hominem rant complaining about scripture being posted or some inconvenient details of history being exposed - such as that above -- do you ever make a point that can be supported by the Word of God these days? What thread would that be??

I would enjoy reading a few lines of that from you - for a change.

Yet another ad hominem.

 

[Bob S]

“God never abandoned his covenant with Israel"
Pope Francis

Ah, but Israel did. Could that be a reason Jesus came and gave all humanity hope by proclaiming a new and better covenant for us? And by doing so He made Torah obsolete.

Open Heart, do you really think you are covering all your bases by thinking you have to be the now defunct (I like that word)Torah obedient?

 

[Meowzltov]

Ah, but Israel did.

This is why the book of Hosea is in the Bible. Just as Hosea is faithful to his unfaithful prostitute wife, so is God faithful to unfaithful Israel.

 

[Meowzltov]

Open Heart, do you really think you are covering all your bases by thinking you have to be the now defunct (I like that word)Torah obedient?

I don't keep Torah because it is mandatory. I keep it out of love for HaShem and because, well, I'm a Jew so I do Jew stuff.

 

[Bob S]

This is why the book of Hosea is in the Bible. Just as Hosea is faithful to his unfaithful prostitute wife, so is God faithful to unfaithful Israel.

In my continuous study of the New Testament I am more convinced that God is concerned with all mankind alike. Israel had its day. Israel blew it Open Heart. God is treating us all alike. "so God WAS faithful to unfaithful Israel" Each of us is responsible for our own salvation. Salvation is offered to a Jew just as it is for me. So, I have come to the conclusion that You have a espoused a false hope about God once again gathering a nation of people into the promised land. Jews who come to Christ are grafted into the tree just as Gentiles are.

 

[Bob S]

I don't keep Torah because it is mandatory. I keep it out of love for HaShem and because, well, I'm a Jew so I do Jew stuff.

I keep the law of love out of love for HaShem. Would you say that God loves me less or that I am less worthy because I am not Torah observant. In you opinion can a person who does not believe Torah is the covenant man should observe have eternal life. I am not asking that because I want you to stand in judgment of anyone, I ask only how you feel about it.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I don't keep Torah because it is mandatory. I keep it out of love for HaShem and because, well, I'm a Jew so I do Jew stuff.

Who cares?