Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[EastCoastRemnant]

Ah, I see. God sometimes talks like that yes.

However if you read the two verses in context, the one in Jude is pretty clear on God being not himself, which is why it says that Michael "dared not" bring an accusation against Satan, but instead said "The Lord Rebuke thee."
It wasn't the same way of it being said.

The Lord did not bring an accusation against Satan because it would have been sin. Paricipating in strife is not Godly...

 

[Sketcher]

I don't hate them, but Ellen White was a false prophet.

 

[mmksparbud]

I've not encountered hatred, that is a pretty strong emotion. I've encountered dislike for out believes, misunderstanding of our believes and downright distortions of our believes, but not hatred. People van be very strongly opposed with believes without hating the people. We are accused of hating Catholics all the time---it is not true, We dislike their believes, not the people. Maybe I'm in denial, but I've never encountered real hatred of the SDA people themselves, just our believes.

 

[Sketcher]

Michael is not the Father, but is part of the God family; whether an Archangel or The Word may depend on His job on the day.

Hebrews 1 and 2 directly contradict this.

 

[sparow]

So are we to argue doctrines in this thread or are we to state whether or not we hate Seventh Day Adventists?

Going back a number of years the main haters of the SDA were Dispensationalists and the hatred had it's routes in the false doctrine of Dispensationalism. Fundamentally the doctrinal issue is the Law of God; which is the covenant, old and new. Central to Dispensationalism is robbing Jesus of the seventieth week, (Daniel's prophesy), casting the seventieth week down to the end of time and giving it to Satan. The consequences of denying Jesus the seventieth week and a new covenant embracing the Law they perceive they can make up their own Lawless new covenant. Those who do not keep the Law hate those who do.

It can be assumed why the SDA are hated; there could be benefit in discussing the doctrines of Lawfulness and the doctrines of Lawlessness.

 

[mmksparbud]

You've never heard of our Lord being referred to as an angel?

Genesis 22:11-12
11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.

12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

Genesis 22:15-18
15 And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Exodus 3:2-4
2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Read all of Judges chapter 6...

Actually, it is so prevelent in the Bible that the Lord is called an angel of the Lord, I'm surprised people don't know this.

Angel just means messenger. Yes angels are created beings, and Jesus was never created, but when Jesus has come as a "messenger" of God, He has been referred to as the angel of the Lord. After all, as the ultimate messenger of God's love for us, He came to show us the depth of God's love for us by becoming human and dying for our sins. He has many titles, many names.

 

[wayfaring man]

Generally people don't like those who espouse an elitist / know it all type attitude.

P.S.

Michael is / was the covering cherub on the right side of the mercy seat (which is where Christ sits) atop the arc of covenant. The one we call satan was / is the cherub on the left. They are on opposing sides of the issue of whether us sinners should be shown mercy or not...that is why in Revelation 12:7 it describes Michael warring against the dragon, with their angels.

 

[Sketcher]

Going back a number of years the main haters of the SDA were Dispensationalists and the hatred had it's routes in the false doctrine of Dispensationalism.

Ultra-Dispensationalism is another problematic way of thinking completely.

 

[mmksparbud]

Going back a number of years the main haters of the SDA were Dispensationalists and the hatred had it's routes in the false doctrine of Dispensationalism. Fundamentally the doctrinal issue is the Law of God; which is the covenant, old and new. Central to Dispensationalism is robbing Jesus of the seventieth week, (Daniel's prophesy), casting the seventieth week down to the end of time and giving it to Satan. The consequences of denying Jesus the seventieth week and a new covenant embracing the Law they perceive they can make up their own Lawless new covenant. Those who do not keep the Law hate those who do.

It can be assumed why the SDA are hated; there could be benefit in discussing the doctrines of Lawfulness and the doctrines of Lawlessness.

I haven't a clue what you mean. We are disliked for our believe in keeping the 7th day, the 4th commandment, along with the other 9, yet we are called lawless???

 

[PloverWing]

I don't encounter hatred of Seventh-Day Adventists, at least not in the area where I live. In my community, people who know about the Seventh-Day Adventists at all know that they set aside Saturday as a Sabbath (like the Jews and the Seventh Day Baptists do), and they respect that practice.

Do you encounter strong dislike of Seventh-Day Adventists in your area? Are you SDA, and do people give you a hard time for it?

 

[Radrook]

I wasn't aware of any particular hatred towards the SDA. I have heard the JWS are supposedly akin to them in certain doctrinal ways and that JWS are extremely disliked. But as for SDA themselves? Never heard of that.

 

[thesunisout]

The religion started when a baptist preacher named William Miller taught that Jesus was coming back in 1844. He had thousands of followers who sold all of their earthly goods in anticipation of this, and when it didn't happen many despaired:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

They moved on from this by saying that it happened in Heaven instead of earth, that Jesus entered into an "investigative judgment" period, and thus the SDA religion was born. The investigative judgment is when Christ looks over the works of believers to see who is worthy of eternal life. This is a direct attack on the substitutionary atonement.

They have a prophetess named "Ellen G White" who wrote countless books
They deny the Trinity
They think Jesus is Michael the Archangel
They teach the Atonement wasn't enough..we will be judged by our works and that will determine our salvation.
They teach that in 1844 Jesus Christ entered into a special "investigative judgment" period to blot out the sins of the righteous, judging case by case according to works
They teach Satan is the scapegoat for our sins and will be punished for all of our sins

Ellen G White:
"When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty.""

Again, this is an attack on the sufficiency of Christs atoning work on the cross

They believe they are the "remnant church". If you get baptized into SDA you have to state you believe they are the remnant church. They believe they are the only true church

They also teach that Sunday worship is either the Mark of the Beast or that Sunday worshipers will take the mark

There are more than these, and because of these beliefs, I would never recommend anyone go to an SDA church. I hope some of them are saved, but I don't really know. If they think Jesus is Michael the Archangel and that they're saved by works they are talking about another Jesus and another gospel.

 

[Radrook]

I don't hate them.

Adventists believe Jesus is the archangel Michael. Which is not scriptural. Whether they are a cult or not I don't know.

There is a very serious misconception that is propagated in the way you phrase that statement. Why you choose to phrase it that way is really beyond me. But I have come across it repeatedly and no matter how many times or how detailed the explanations, the misrepresentation of that view via phrasing it in that manner continues unabated. Why?

 

[4x4toy]

I don't hate them.

Adventists believe Jesus is the archangel Michael. Which is not scriptural. Whether they are a cult or not I don't know.

That and everything must be approved by Ellen White ..

 

[CodyFaith]

There is a very serious misconception that is propagated in the way you phrase that statement. Why you choose to phrase it that way is really beyond me. But I have come across it repeatedly and no matter how many times or how detailed the explanations, the misrepresentation of that view via phrasing it in that manner continues unabated. Why?

I assure you there was no evil intent on my part... if that's what's being suggested, I've just heard it phrased like that so I say it like that. Of course you're right though, they don't believe the Son is Michael, they would believe that Michael is another form of God.

Regardless, what I meant was that they believe Michael is God (not the Father, but just God).

My bad if it looked bad, but again... no bad intent was on my part...

 

[Paul Yohannan]

On YouTube I watched how the SDA are a cult. According to my dictionary there is nothing wrong with being a cult.

Here the SDA defends itself:

I have no hatred for Adventists.

However, I do object strongly to the large number of attack threads posted by Adventists regarding other denominations, in particular Roman Catholicism, and I consider the claims of Adventists to practice sola scriptura to be obviously untrue.

I believe several Adventist doctrines are errors. I am particularly alarmed by Adventists who reject the Nicene Creed or the Trinity. I also consider Ellen G. White a racist and a false prophet.

However, none of this means I hate Adventists or regard them as non-Christian. In fact I have nothing but affection for Adventists on a personal level. When I meet an Adventist, the last thing on my mind is their church.

 

[Norbert L]

Christians don't hate SDA. What we all get worked up about is whose doctrine/dogma is correct. In it's extreme, it's pretty much a continual Trump vs Hillary thing that goes on. Theological politics.

After a while there is this realization. 1 Corinthians 2:2

 

[sparow]

Hebrews 1 and 2 directly contradict this.

I don't see any contradiction; I see a lot of unanswered questions.

 

[Armoured]

On YouTube I watched how the SDA are a cult. According to my dictionary there is nothing wrong with being a cult.

Here the SDA defends itself:

I don't hate them. But they're refusal to acknowledge basic facts and tendency to goal post shift is very frustrating.

For example, an SDA member here made a direct, unambiguous prediction at the end of last year that "The Pope and Obama are about to make Sunday worship globally mandatory under the guise of fighting climate change" in the lead up to the Pope's address of US congress. Obviously that never happened, nor was it ever going to. When brought up, the member in question tries any number of semantic dodges, anything but simply acknowledging "I was mistaken".

A great deal of SDA thought seems to rest on confirmation bias fallacy. Anything bad that happens is proof that the End Times are upon us and the Catholic Church is evil. Anything good that happens is a trick of Satan and therefore proof that the End Times are upon us and the Catholic Church is evil.

So yes. I certainly do not hate our SDA brothers, but I do admit to finding them hard to try to talk to reasonably and respectfully. That's my personal opinion based on my personal experience, any way. I haven't known that many SDAs, so my experience may not be representative.

 

[mmksparbud]

The religion started when a baptist preacher named William Miller taught that Jesus was coming back in 1844. He had thousands of followers who sold all of their earthly goods in anticipation of this, and when it didn't happen many despaired:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

They moved on from this by saying that it happened in Heaven instead of earth, that Jesus entered into an "investigative judgment" period, and thus the SDA religion was born. The investigative judgment is when Christ looks over the works of believers to see who is worthy of eternal life. This is a direct attack on the substitutionary atonement.

They have a prophetess named "Ellen G White" who wrote countless books
They deny the Trinity
They think Jesus is Michael the Archangel
They teach the Atonement wasn't enough..we will be judged by our works and that will determine our salvation.
They teach that in 1844 Jesus Christ entered into a special "investigative judgment" period to blot out the sins of the righteous, judging case by case according to works
They teach Satan is the scapegoat for our sins and will be punished for all of our sins

Ellen G White:
"When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty.""

Again, this is an attack on the sufficiency of Christs atoning work on the cross

They believe they are the "remnant church". If you get baptized into SDA you have to state you believe they are the remnant church. They believe they are the only true church

They also teach that Sunday worship is either the Mark of the Beast or that Sunday worshipers will take the mark

There are more than these, and because of these beliefs, I would never recommend anyone go to an SDA church. I hope some of them are saved, but I don't really know. If they think Jesus is Michael the Archangel and that they're saved by works they are talking about another Jesus and another gospel.

EGW wrote over and over that we are saved by grace---

The mother is God’s agent to Christianize her family. She is to exemplify Biblical religion, showing how its influence is to control us in its everyday duties and pleasures, teaching her children that by grace alone can they be saved, through faith, which is the gift of God. This constant teaching as to what Christ is to us and to them, His love, His goodness, His mercy, revealed in the great plan of redemption, will make a hallowed, sacred impress on the heart.14
The Review and Herald, September 15, 1891.
Therefore there is no occasion for one to glory over 402another or to grudge against another. No one is privileged above another, nor can anyone claim the reward as a right. {COL 401.0}

Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 402.1
The first and the last are to be sharers in the great, eternal reward, and the first should gladly welcome the last. He who grudges the reward to another forgets that he himself is saved by grace alone. The parable of the laborers rebukes all jealousy and suspicion. Love rejoices in the truth and institutes no envious comparisons. He who possesses love compares only the loveliness of Christ and his own imperfect character.
{COL 402.1}
While we are to be in harmony with God’s law, we are not saved by the works of the law,FW 95.3


We absolutely do not deny the Trinity.
There are biblical reasons for believing that Michael and Christ are the same, so we are not the only denomination to think so.

Read Leviticus 16 about the ritual of the scapegoat, instituted by God Himself.

Lev 16:7 And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Lev 16:8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
Lev 16:9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Lev 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

On the day of atonement 2 goats were brought to the High Priest. One represented Christ and was sacrificed and the blood used to cleanse the tabernacle of sins---

Lev 16:20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:
Lev 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

The scapegoat represents Satan---There is absolutely no attack on the cross, nor can there be when came from God Himself!

The blood of Jesus forgives our sins-they are placed on Satan and he pays the final penalty for those sins----which seems only fair as he is the root cause of all sin.