"Lisa"

[Ran77]

Another incorrect gross overgeneralization. You are the one making a big deal out of it. Most people just don't care about him as much as you do, let alone even know who he is. Whatever Chick said or did, he will answer to God for it, same as you or me. Seriously, give it up already. It's only your own strawman that you are trying to beat down. Even on another thread about him, there was very little support, if any at all, for his work.

Hmmm . . . apathy.

I can't say I really approve of the complete hands-off approach. If I see someone doing harm to another I feel a sense of responsibility to help if I can. But maybe that comes from my many years in the LDS church. I suppose some of the other churches are content to stand by and watch evil perpetrated.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Tell that to everyone who suffered at his hands.

Chick was a hate-monger who spread lies, conspiracy, and all-around evil in God's name, and his legacy will outlive him so long as his organization continues to function. Generations of people have been ostracized, discriminated against, and even persecuted because of the lies he told, while others have been led to believe such a grossly distorted version of Christianity that they've been told it doesn't matter what they do with their lives once they're "saved", something that we all know will have eternal consequences.

I would be surprised if the line to defile the man's grave isn't already stretching around the block.

Re-read the SOP for this forum. You and this thread may be in violation. This topic is not about Christian Apologetics.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Hmmm . . . apathy.

I can't say I really approve of the complete hands-off approach. If I see someone doing harm to another I feel a sense of responsibility to help if I can. But maybe that comes from my many years in the LDS church. I suppose some of the other churches are content to stand by and watch evil perpetrated.

Wasn't needing or seeking your approval. Your snarky supposition could be considered flaming.

 

[miknik5]

Of course I am.

Too many people can't bring themselves to admit that what people like Chick are doing is, in fact, Satan's work done in God's name.

Preaching CHRIST?

 

[miknik5]

When you consider that law enforcement groups are making policy based on his materials and that people are facing hate and discrimination because of him, something has to be done.

If you won't, then I will.

Who is facing hate and discrimination?

 

[miknik5]

Tell that to everyone who suffered at his hands.

Chick was a hate-monger who spread lies, conspiracy, and all-around evil in God's name, and his legacy will outlive him so long as his organization continues to function. Generations of people have been ostracized, discriminated against, and even persecuted because of the lies he told, while others have been led to believe such a grossly distorted version of Christianity that they've been told it doesn't matter what they do with their lives once they're "saved", something that we all know will have eternal consequences.

I would be surprised if the line to defile the man's grave isn't already stretching around the block.

By his fictitious story I thought you were angry at his allowability

Now you are angry at his discrimination and ostracizing of who?

 

[Ironhold]

Re-read the SOP for this forum. You and this thread may be in violation. This topic is not about Christian Apologetics.

Maybe if I got a response other than "Who cares what he did to some innocent people since he was a man of God?"...

 

[miknik5]

Maybe if I got a response other than "Who cares what he did to some innocent people since he was a man of God?"...

What did he do?

 

[Ironhold]

What did he do?

Chick spent decades producing religious material that spread false information and conspiracy theories concerning groups he didn't agree with. The material also told his readers that you merely need to say a rote prayer to be saved, and that once you were saved it was a one-way ticket to Heaven no matter what you did with your life.

So his entire career, in essence, was based on lies and giving others license to sin.

 

[miknik5]

Chick spent decades producing religious material that spread false information and conspiracy theories concerning groups he didn't agree with. The material also told his readers that you merely need to say a rote prayer to be saved, and that once you were saved it was a one-way ticket to Heaven no matter what you did with your life.

So his entire career, in essence, was based on lies and giving others license to sin.

I don't have time to worry about him
Don't you think GOD can handle it?
Why should you concern yourself with the fate of another man

And if you are saved how can you behave in this manner?

 

[BigDaddy4]

Maybe if I got a response other than "Who cares what he did to some innocent people since he was a man of God?"...

Uh, no. This is not your personal playground to proclaim whatever grudge you have against Chick or his ministry. You have not challenged any Christian theology, belief, or practice, only espoused your dislike for the actions of a particular person/ministry.

This was your OP question:

"As someone who belongs to a mainline Christian denomination, how does it feel knowing that a tract like this was published in God's name?"

An SOP refresh (bold mine):

Christian Apologetics is a branch of theology that concerns itself with the rational defense of the Christian faith against arguments and opposing viewpoints. The purpose of the Christian Apologetics forum is to give non-Christians the opportunity to start threads to challenge Christian theology, beliefs and practices, and Christians the opportunity to rationally defend their beliefs. Christians may start threads to present an argument in support of the Christian faith. Threads that are started for the sole purpose of ridiculing Christians and Christianity will not be tolerated. Promoting faiths other than Christianity will also not be permitted.

As a general guide for posting topics, non-Christians who are challenging Christianity should offer arguments as to why Christian beliefs are incorrect or untrue. Similarly, threads started by Christians should contain an argument why Christian beliefs are true and correct. All thread topics must contain an identifiable argument against or for the Christian faith. All participants should endeavor to support their arguments, and their rebuttals, with evidence.

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Hatred
Any posters, Christian or non-Christian, who resort to posting hatred of any individual or group will be at risk of being banned from this forum.

 

[Ironhold]

I don't have time to worry about him
Don't you think GOD can handle it?
Why should you concern yourself with the fate of another man

And if you are saved how can you behave in this manner?

Thing is, what he did has led other people to circulate this same false information and hatred of others.

 

[miknik5]

Thing is, what he did has led other people to circulate this same false information and hatred of others.

What false information

That GOD's salvation and forgiveness of our sins are found in CHRIST JESUS?

It isn't false information

 

[BigDaddy4]

Thing is, what he did has led other people to circulate this same false information and hatred of others.

The same could be said for Joseph Smith and many of the lds founders. But neither topics are appropriate for this sub-forum.

 

[Ironhold]

What false information

The main conspiracy underpinning most of his works was that the Roman Catholic Church was Satan's personal presence on Earth, and that anything Chick didn't like was either created by the RCC to divide Christianity or created by Satan himself.

 

[South Bound]

http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html

I originally posted this elsewhere, but only one person dared address it.


The above tract was first published in 1984 by Chick Publications, a company that has spent the last 40+ decades publishing material aimed at converting people towards a form of Evangelical Protestantism; most of the material is produced, in whole or in part, by Jack Chick, the founder of the organization.

In the tract, a doctor discovers that the titular character, a young girl, is somehow suffering from a persistent STD and shows other signs of having been sexually assaulted. When the doctor confronts the girl's father about this, the father confesses. In response to this discovery, the doctor informs...

...the dad that he needs to get right with God.

Legal obligations to report abuse? What legal obligations to report abuse? No, once the dad says some choice words in front of the doctor, the doctor lets the dad go home to his family. The dad confesses all, and then says that he's already asked God for forgiveness. In response, the wife and child pray to God for forgiveness for ever being angry with him.

The end.

The company was ultimately forced to chuck things down the hole 1984-style... because the tract was a liability. Neither Chick himself nor the company have, to my knowledge, ever backed down from the message presented in it. Instead, they have simply chosen to deny that it ever existed. Problem is, they published so many copies of this before yanking it that enough copies survived to the dawn of the internet age, at which point they were promptly digitized at web sites like the one above.?

The point of the tract was the man's sin and his need to repent, not the legal ramifications of his actions

As someone who belongs to a mainline Christian denomination, how does it feel knowing that a tract like this was published in God's name?

I'm Baptist so not a member of a mainline denomination (although I did grow up Methodist) I haven't seen the tract so I don't feel one way or the other

Chick did some good things and some really silly things

 

[Ran77]

Wasn't needing or seeking your approval. Your snarky supposition could be considered flaming.

And oddly enough I didn't make any claim about your relationship with my approval. People post their opinions and observations all the time. That includes you. I'm not aware of any good reason why I should be excluded from participating in this forum in the same manner as everyone else.

If you think my comment is a flame--report it.

 

[Ran77]

Uh, no. This is not your personal playground to proclaim whatever grudge you have against Chick or his ministry. You have not challenged any Christian theology, belief, or practice, only espoused your dislike for the actions of a particular person/ministry.

This was your OP question:

"As someone who belongs to a mainline Christian denomination, how does it feel knowing that a tract like this was published in God's name?"

An SOP refresh (bold mine):

Christian Apologetics is a branch of theology that concerns itself with the rational defense of the Christian faith against arguments and opposing viewpoints. The purpose of the Christian Apologetics forum is to give non-Christians the opportunity to start threads to challenge Christian theology, beliefs and practices, and Christians the opportunity to rationally defend their beliefs. Christians may start threads to present an argument in support of the Christian faith. Threads that are started for the sole purpose of ridiculing Christians and Christianity will not be tolerated. Promoting faiths other than Christianity will also not be permitted.

As a general guide for posting topics, non-Christians who are challenging Christianity should offer arguments as to why Christian beliefs are incorrect or untrue. Similarly, threads started by Christians should contain an argument why Christian beliefs are true and correct. All thread topics must contain an identifiable argument against or for the Christian faith. All participants should endeavor to support their arguments, and their rebuttals, with evidence.

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Hatred
Any posters, Christian or non-Christian, who resort to posting hatred of any individual or group will be at risk of being banned from this forum.

Based on the content of this post I'd say Ironhold really hit a nerve. The words of Shakespeare come to mind, Methinks thou doth protest too much.

 

[miknik5]

Based on the content of this post I'd say Ironhold really hit a nerve. The words of Shakespeare come to mind, Methinks thou doth protest too much.

At least you are clear about who you are against

 

[miknik5]

Hmmm . . . apathy.

I can't say I really approve of the complete hands-off approach. If I see someone doing harm to another I feel a sense of responsibility to help if I can. But maybe that comes from my many years in the LDS church. I suppose some of the other churches are content to stand by and watch evil perpetrated.

If you saw someone doing harm to another What would you do to right the wrong?